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  • toto64
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2019-01-29 19:31:17  

[Zimer :

]The unique thing that I'll tell you is that partial videos are allowed and that is nothing of other world. I'm not the unique user who does that.


The problem is partial video doesn't prove anything. You pretend to WR but if we compare performance in the same conditions: on this video MS1  the player scored 450k points in final mission but you only scored 345k points. You failed all advanced patterns: at 01:29:45 the player collects coins and receives 33k points but you got less than 1k points, and other patterns. I can say that your performance is novice and corresponds to a total score of 3m.

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2019-01-30 01:37:01  
You keep saying that Zimer is the novice when the TG record starts the last mission with 1953360 points and Zimer starts it with 3489060
Have you ever considered that you can get more points elsewhere?
Zimer starts this video with a score higher than TG record.

You're too focused on final boss fight that you can't think outside the box man.

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2019-01-30 17:26:42  

PMniac :

You keep saying that Zimer is the novice when the TG record starts the last mission with 1953360 points and Zimer starts it with 3489060
Have you ever considered that you can get more points elsewhere?
Zimer starts this video with a score higher than TG record.

You're too focused on final boss fight that you can't think outside the box man.


I'm comparing performance and saying that the player in the video i linked scored +105k points in final mission compared to zimer, so calling his score WR is a big joke. His partial video is enough to judge his performance and evaluate total score if you know the game. As i said his performance is novice and corresponds to 3m total score.

I'm waiting for admins to justify their position especially since Magicbart is responsible for his return.

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2019-01-31 19:47:41  
@magicbart @BlackShark: If the score can't be proven it has to be deleted. This is the only solution.

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2019-01-31 21:13:39  
Sorry to expressed myself in French. Here is a translation using an online translator:

I'm sorry toto64 but I do not have enough time to analyze the videos as well as your exchanges on the forum (I am unfortunately much less present on the site for a few years now).

I am nevertheless far off this forum for many weeks. I prefer to leave room for those who have time to analyze the video as well as the comments of Zimer and toto64, to express their opinions.

I know that some members of the VGR team are currently discussing Discord. I fully trust them to make the right decision. As soon as their decision is made (no need to wait for an administrator, you know very well that you can wait a moment ...), I will do what is necessary to apply it. If there is a need to delete records I will take care of it.


Je suis désolé toto64 mais je manque de temps pour analyser les vidéos ainsi que vos échanges sur le forum (je suis malheureusement nettement moins présent sur le site depuis maintenant quelques années).

Je suis néanmoins au loin ce forum depuis de nombreuses semaines. Je préfère laisser la place à ceux qui ont le temps d'analyser la vidéo ainsi que les commentaires de Zimer et toto64, pour exprimer leurs avis.

Je sais que certains membres de l'équipe VGR en discutent actuellement sur Discord. Je leur fait entièrement confiance pour qu'ils prennent la bonne décision. Dès que leur décision sera prise (pas besoin d'attendre un administrateur, vous savez très bien que vous pouvez attendre encore un moment...), je ferai le nécessaire pour l'appliquer. S'il y a besoin de supprimer des records je m'en occuperai.

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2019-02-01 00:10:42  

toto64 :

I'm comparing performance and saying that the player in the video i linked scored +105k points in final mission compared to zimer, so calling his score WR is a big joke. His partial video is enough to judge his performance and evaluate total score if you know the game. As i said his performance is novice and corresponds to 3m total score.

I'm waiting for admins to justify their position especially since Magicbart is responsible for his return.


You can see in the video
1- Zimer doesn't have any problems in clearing the Final Stage
2- He starts the level with much more points than TG score
3- He still finished the video with much more points than 2nd place submitted on VGR

Zimer's score is totally legit imo

Worst case scenario replace his current submission with the one on the video, but I don't think that's necessary. We're clearly dealing with a situation of a Zimer's hater going on a duplicated account.

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2019-02-01 00:34:11  
Still, showing us a full run video would be the best solution and remove doubts and accusations.

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2019-02-01 01:49:42  
@BlackShark: Ok, thanks for clearing that up.


PMniac :



You can see in the video
1- Zimer doesn't have any problems in clearing the Final Stage
2- He starts the level with much more points than TG score
3- He still finished the video with much more points than 2nd place submitted on VGR



1- He cleared final stage, no more.
2- As i explained already TG rule is 3 lives but zimer played with 5 lives so TG score would be 3.4m, but i don't think zimer can achieve that because playing one stage is different than playing the full 6 stages..



I'd like to hear from people involved what is still unclear in my explanation of the problem with zimer score.



Smoka :

Still, showing us a full run video would be the best solution and remove doubts and accusations.


That's my point and the only solution.

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2019-02-01 09:22:40  
@PMniac
Be careful with this statement.
So next time if I ever play on my modded Wii a game of Metal Slug, savestate a perfect round 1 or 2, 3 .. and just start recording after that, post a high score, this is legit for you?
Nah.
As said before, if you go for a WR be prepared to record from a to z. Certainly if you are a player on the watch.
If he can't  obtain that score again as Zimer described because he is out of shape for this game. Replay it and post that score with video.
Toto64 nor I or other VGR players hate him.
We just want full proof. I thought reading this from some admins when Zimer joined again?

Note that you used 3 continues in that same submission. So for me that score should also be revoked.
But I don't  want to start a 'war' here.

I just want to see honest scores submitted with default settings. Wouldn't  be fair if i e.g. start playing pinball arcade with 5 balls instead of 3 and crush Zephyraz scores.
If we allow this, VGR will loose a lot of credit and decent players.

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2019-02-03 21:38:56  
Moreover with the experience i have with this series for many years i can say that his scores in the sequels are even more suspect because they are much harder than MS1. You need much more skill than MS1 to achieve expert scores, with the use of many more advanced patterns and the risk to die. All his scores are only possible if you are an expert player with years of hard training, but the only evidence he presented proves that he doesn't have the necessary skill to obtain these scores. Given his past this should ring alarm bells. That's why the only solution to this case is to provide full proof.

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2019-02-07 20:45:40  
Metal Slug Anthology: Tous les records - Metal Slug
Metal Slug: Meilleur Score - High Score
Metal Slug Anthology: Tous les records - Metal Slug 2
Metal Slug 2: Meilleur Score - High Score
Metal Slug Anthology: Tous les records - Metal Slug 4
Metal Slug 4: Meilleur Score - High Score

In the same fashion as MS1 in all metal slug games in order to increase score you have to sacrifice all your lives.  In Metal Slug Anthology you have 3 lives and you can't change it, in NeoGeo/Wii you can increase to 5 lives, as you see the score in Anthology MS1 is lower than NeoGeo/Wii MS1.  The problem is that the score in NeoGeo/Wii MS2 is lower than the score in Anthology MS2,  so if he scored 10.2m with 5 lives then it's simply impossible that he scored 10.5m with 3 lives. Showcased here - Metal Slug 2 - skip to 02:39:23 the segment where all lives are sacrificed. Same with NeoGeo/Wii MS4 compared to Anthology MS4.
As said before in MS1 which is the easiest game he already lost 105k points by playing one stage only and on higher difficulty. And i proved that his scores were fake on CS already for the same reasons.

Questions?

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2019-02-09 21:43:48  
I ask a staff member to take on this obvious case. Thanks.

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2019-02-14 13:17:09  
toto64 contacted me in discord and we had a chat about this case.

New information that came up, is that there is a cheat available to use in all Metal Slug games, that is not included in the original games, but could be added on a modded Wii or on original NeoGeo hardware by custom bios.

Video here
Check 1:13.

He says cheats can be turned on/off anytime. There's a cheat that stops the timer, which would be useful to increase the score as much as you want.

So this brings problems to proving Metal Slug games with only a picture. We should accept only full video proof for these games. zephyraz pointed out to me about the memory capacity in VGR for video proofs. So if these are too big to be uploaded to VGR, maybe video proof uploaded to other site should be accepted.

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2019-02-14 13:37:19  
Thanks, Smoka. This new important information changes a lot the situation, not only for Zimer !

If the cheats are only available with this modded Wii, so for these games series, it means that there is an obligation to proove by videos.
It means: every score not proven by video in these game series should be removed, and controllers should now only accept video proofs.
It means: the system of videos in VGR should be changed, to increase the memory capacity of the site. Or: we should be more flexible concerning the links to video sites (You Tube, ...), and have a system to indicate that a member has legitimacy due to other external place videos.
I don't think that's the past and actual policy of VGR.
This is a huge problem. 

And it is also complicated for us  , because the accusations comes from a recent and unknown member, and this concern a past known cheater who replayed in the games where there was problems. It decrease a lot their both legitimacy.
And it also merge with another big problem in VGR, the mixed games versions. Because I maintain that Wii savestates can be used in lot of games played by Zimer.
So VGR should probably prepare to separate the Wii from the original games. 

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2019-02-17 00:04:01  
@zephyraz: Since the decision is made why nothing is done yet??

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2019-02-18 01:45:37  
What I can infer and answer your question with: Maybe people dont have that much time on their hands? PLEASE BE PATIENT! @toto64

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