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2017-09-12 17:09:39 - Last edit the 2017-09-12 17:11:59  
Sry guys, but whats the Problem of prooving here was is prooven elsewhere? We are not Cyberscore and some new ppl do not even know where to find any proof of a specific Person if we have not even a small hint to that.

But sure, do still refuse my ask for proof for that stupid reason because ppl are coming here, post there scores and leave them like a Steel Wall so noone can scratch it...

And still im not realy into the Team if i can not use the vgr Team Forum for weeks now, so i would post that there.

Again if noone unterstand it right: We are a different Score Site, noone know without search, thats any proof exists on scores are empty. If only Cyberscore Counts on proof, then delete EVERY single Picture/Video here, because it's a pure waste of time if vgr is just a "side note" of an Highscore site, because Cyberscore Counts more on vgr as vgr Count on vgr...

Oh and btw: delete also the "ask for proof" System, it's just waste of time, to even try to see Proofs here on vgr...

2017-09-12 18:53:34  
Calm Down Undead.
I understand what you mean, and mostly agree, but I also understand why the VGR team mostly does not accept Proof requests of members who have proven it elsewhere. I don't agree with it completely...

If those players ever come back and notice that their scores are deleted, if they cared about those scores, then they would provide proof. Because of this, I also think we should be able to ask for proof (within reasonable doubt of the score in question) and that it be accepted, regardless of when the last time the member was active.
I am sure a big thing VGR wants to avoid is a person who wants to easily move up on a leaderboard of a record by asking for proof of all those above knowing they won't be able to prove since they have not logged in for quite some time.

There needs to be some clear line or rule because even us proof admins don't have a guideline of when to accept or decline Proof requests other than based on the reason given.
I accept Proof Request that give a good reason like "This person has not proven a single Platinum on this game" which tells me that their platinums can be doubted, while I deny the bad reasons like "I have proof, so you should too." which wouldn't actually tell me that their scores are not real.

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2017-09-12 20:52:12 - Last edit the 2017-09-12 22:51:56  
Ok, then i can tell you something about this: i was asking for proof of someone with ZERO prooven scores on the Game:
Captain Toad Treasure Tracker
And now look on "Haruhi" with no prooven scores at all.

The reason my "ask for proof" was refused because: "it's prooven on cyberscore"... thanks for that.

If Cyberscores matters that much, then we should have at least the Option to send the Link from Cyberscore(with proof)  here on vgr, so everyone can see the proof if they click on it.

But atm we have nothing. Why would you guys want to have more ppl here, if the only Thing we hear is: "if you want to see a proof, check Cyberscore"

It's not that im against Cyberscore(i post and proof my scores there too) but if we have some new ppl here and they maybe want to see a proof and the only Thing they get telled "go on Cyberscore to see" then what you think will happen? Right: they will more likely stay on Cyberscore.

I would calm down, but this is not the first time this happen. If someone think i use this Option to reach the top of the Scoreboard then think it. My reason is that i have the same score and i think it's not unfair to see a proof of the other Person near me. If they get deleted because of it, then we do not realy need to Keep a score of someone do not care about his own scores(because it's 90% more active on Cyberscore)

It's just anoing, Cyberscore should NOT be a reason to not proof any score here on vgr, otherwise our proof System is useless

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2017-09-13 08:01:02  
I understand that you want all scores to be proven, but I don't agree.
I think this system is there for when one has a doubt on a score, and if the guy has a picture/video elsewhere (Cyberscore or not), I don't see the need  to validate. We know the score is true.. We could possibly be able to put a link or validate the square, I don't know.  

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2017-09-13 18:34:49 - Last edit the 2017-09-13 20:25:26  
I agree with you about refusing an ask for proof because it is proven on Cyberscore. For me it even would be the opposite. If a member has proven a score on Cyberscore, he's able to prove it on VGR so there's ne need to refuse the request and we shouldn't do that.

But also as Dark Eon Master pointed out, we indeed want to avoid that the site being full of unproven score just because people don't come any more. Most of the time, the scores are real but a score could be in a black status just because the member doesn't come any more. It's too bad.


About your access to the team forum, I'll tell to viviengaetan tonight. I think games related rights are different (and not linked to) from the forum rights.

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You have the right to access to the team forum now. You may have to logout and login to be able to access to it.

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2017-09-14 18:09:18 - Last edit the 2017-09-14 18:09:31  
ok, i can now see the VGR Team Forum, thanks

I think we can close this here, because i normaly wanted to have this discussion with the Staff Members of the site.

I just think some rules are not realy good if they remove other rules(Zero Proofs vgr, but Proofs on Cyberscore = Zero Proofs rule is useless), but this i will discuss with you guys in the VGR Team Forum.

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2017-09-15 11:16:05  
I understand the point of view of Undead, which is a new Proof Controller.
But I think VGR already found a good compromise for the Proof Ask system, even we are always open to improve it.   The best is to discuss about it with lot of members, and to find a right and consensual solution.

For proofs asks, it is more easy to accept when the member is new, has no proofs in the game or worst, in the profile.
But it becomes more difficult when he/she has some few proofs, or if it is an old member, not connected to VGR for a while, or other specific reasons.  
That’s why it always depend on the situation, and of the personal point of view of any controller, which can be different from another one.
You need to understand and accept that, there is not strong and fixed rules: because it can be counterproductive, and may scare away lot of people.
Even if it is always better to proove and show the result of (often) hard and long records, it is not an obligation in VGR. It has never been.
But for sure, it will avoid lot of problems after, and blocking for post after 30 unproven scores.
This limit should be enough dissuasive, but controllers should also not accept every asks.
Because “past” members even didn’t noticed this change, or because other game specificities... 

Personnally, I agree with you, DEM and kloh: VGR need to have its own proofs.
Maybe it will be a good point to install a link option to other sites if the scores are proven elsewhere, like 33Tails proposed.  But I prefer that it concerns the members themselves, rather than controllers: it should be their work and responsibility to show their proofs, not ours (we can’t know every members records or profiles, if they send proofs elsewhere).

I will now discuss about that with more details in the VGR Team forum.

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2017-10-10 16:33:01  
I didn't see this thread at the time, sorry.

My response of "The scores are proven on Cyberscore" is actually in response to a different game (Theatrhythm Final Fantasy: Curtain Call.

I told Undead that all of my proofs are available on Cyberscore if he wants to see them on short notice, otherwise to request proofs of individual records that he is doubting. I can quite happily prove any of them, but it's a lot of work proving all of them based on one member's request.  because VGR only accepts .jpg images and all of my proofs are .png files, plus my upload speed is bad.

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