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2019-10-16 05:10:16 - Last edit the 2019-10-16 05:37:24  
Hi everybody ,

you are saying i'm not fair-play because i hoard , it's ok i understand why you are thinking that about me , but watch my last defeats :

1) the most recent : against Quar i led all the week ( you can verify with the stats ) i started to attack at 11.30pm , enough to counter . Not really response . I was a little bit worried , i waited , then i went to go help my teamate . Quar posted too and i responded ; too late unfortunately  

2) previous tournament , i beat PandaEmperor with a wild hoarding but i had no choice . I got remorse , and for the next match i decide to play clean. Result ? My opponent beat me in the last minutes by sending 100 plats , me none.

3) the tournament before , one guy ( not my adversary ) eliminated me by hoarding when i was outside , just because he wanted to see someone else win.

And another time when i was in a rude battle , a guy who was stranger to our match ( not in the same team) stole a lot of my plats during the climax ; i was very furious and i wrote a shitty post on the forum.

I hoard and i 'm hoarded , sometimes i win , sometimes i lose , it's the game ; you may find it's injust but i don't break the rules.

I don't play like that every time , it depends to my opponent , game he has , of his team , if i'm on difficult , there are so many variables . For exemple , when i fight against Zephyraz it's always a fair play game , i never hoard him or i don't remenber.

What's hoarding ? What's your definition of hoarding ? If i post 400 plats at 11.00pm it's hoarding or not ? And at midday ? When does it start ?

You're talking about fair-play , ok let's talk about it :

if i believe you , i'm the only one who does this , but it's not the case.

For exemple in your team you have Basile who is a great hoarder too ; for information i won my first tournament just because he failed his hoarding , he send too late. And another time he lost due to a bug. It's fair play or not ?

It's fair play when you fight a guy who plays games with paid power-ups ? How can i win ? How can i beat his records ? that's impossible , the only way is to pay , this is it who's injust ! Do you hear me Panda ? YOU JUST BOUGHT YOUR PLATINUMS ! DON'T BE PROUD ABOUT THAT !

It's fair play when your leader remove a plat at the end of the round in order to keep for after ? I don't think so .

I think i don't have lessons to receive ; maybe i play dirty but i'm not the only one .

That's all i had to say .


PS : sorry for my faults , i'm bad in english .

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2019-10-16 08:31:14 - Last edit the 2019-10-16 08:33:49  
What's important to notice here is that nobody likes hoarding, but almost everybody does.
Why ?
Because it can helps you (a lot) to win.

So the thing is: how can we stop this?
By putting rules, such as not"not telling when the tournament will end in the last day, for instance, it could end at 12:42, 3:56 or 19:25"
But, anyway, that's another debate.

You don't have a right answer here.
It's not right, it's not wrong. It depends how you want to play, and how you want to"live with it" if you won with it.
As Happykid said, sometimes it was mandatory for me to use all my plats at the end to beat him, and sometimes it just fail (for whatever reason, now it's passed) or it succeed and you won.

A fair play fight can be fair play if you play all day longs, and send your platinums but..
What if ppl can play only the last days?
What if they dont have stock, so they have to play the week to obtain them and then send them the last day? Is it hoarding ?
What about ppl saving plat for the tournament vs others ?
What if two opponents hoard. Is it a fair play fight between them, then?

I'm not mad, and never will if I loose that way, cause we all know that it could happened.
That's it. Happykid, you PLAY THE WAY YOU WANT TO. Same for everybody.
So don't misanderstand everything and just enjoy the tournament, as it should be. Same for everyone here  

Instead of complaining, just please try to help us to find a way that fits everybody to get a decent tournament without any complaints! That could be great
Or, it will never change, and ppl will still complain anyway ? You can't know.

But, we have to move forward, and VGR can only move with his members. So if you want VGR to move, and evoluate, please help us!  
So, congratulations to the ones still in 1/8 final. I'm glad I'm part of it, and if I was kicked last night by a teammate, or everybody else, then it's the game, nothing to say about it.

By the way : it's also important to have everybody opinions, so feel free to talk and express yourselves anytime !
(Here im not answering happykid, I'm talking to everybody, in this message)

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2019-10-16 09:11:45  
you do not need to justify yourself, adding platinum at the last moment is not forbidden.  so you can do it without problem.

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2019-10-16 09:48:30  
I understand that some of you feel angry for being eliminated in the last minutes. But sadly, it's how it works and how been working since the very first Tournament : when there is a competition, you can avoid that some will use what they think is the best way to win. Here, a lot of people think that sending platinums only in the last hour is an advantage : it's probably true, but it's a dangerous game.
As Basile said, if you have any suggestions about the tournament, feel free to tell us. The way it worked has ages a bit now (1st tournament was in 2013 and not much has change since), so we're always open to discussion about it. There is this good thread which was oppened last year, were you can share any idea to improve the way tournaments work   We'll see after what we can do with thoses suggestions in the next version of VGR.

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2019-10-16 12:08:52  
I think fair play in this format is, you should always aim to take the lead. If I'm leading by 20 plats the whole week and I get no response from my opponent until the last 20min of the week, it sucks. But that has been the most effective way to win since the tournament has been running. It is what it is until we see changes.

2019-10-16 14:22:39 - Last edit the 2019-10-16 14:24:21  
Hi

I'm sorry if I somehow??? left the impression that I'm "proud" about "buying" my platinums on most of the Angry Birds games. I'm certainly NOT proud in any way, let that just be clear.
Yes, I did complete most of my Angry Birds games records with bought powerups, the only reason is because it was faster and obviously more convenient. I already said earlier this year that I would want my powerup scores to be split from the normal scores in the future when the new version of VGR arrives.

The funny fact is: I can beat any of my Angry Birds games records without buying any powerups. It would just take me some time because I have to use the free powerups already provided by the game, reset my progress when I need new powerups, quickly play through the previous levels and use the new powerups on the other levels.  
I wont buy any powerups on other games, its a waste of money, I only use the powerups already available ingame xD

I know hoarding and all the other stuff can be considered "tactics" and its part of the tournament game, I might have hoarded once or twice too. I just always tried to post my records before the last 30 minutes of the round since I have to type everything on my phone  

I will think carefully and then give my opinion in 1 of the tournament suggestion threads.

Have a great day gamers  

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2019-10-16 15:22:34  
Basile can actually attest to this statement Im making, because before this tournament, me and him had a great round to determine who'd move on to the final four. However, me and him were posting all week. He did come back to beat me, but I had fun trying to compete against a great player. Thats all it is: having fun. "Hoarding" shouldn't be against the rules, since it is a key strategy that most people use.

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2019-10-16 16:39:44 - Last edit the 2019-10-16 21:29:39  
I edit my post and congratulate all players who passed to the next round.
Nothing illegal was done and if you are not prepared, then accept your lost.

Now if we want better rule next time, of course, I'm in favor.

My suggestion is to block the stats of the players during the tournament, no access to what is posted, and how many platiniums each player has. Only refresh the stats of each game after the end of the week.
Something could tell everyone that we are currently in a tournament so the exact stats of every game will be updated at the end of the week.

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2019-10-16 20:39:10 - Last edit the 2019-10-16 20:39:40  
Basile brought up potential rule changes, but there's an easier short-term solution to these issues.

A lot of people dislike hoarding. How do you solve that? You identify the people you think are likely to be hoarding platinums, and then beat hundreds of their scores in the first round, regardless of whether or not they're your opponent. Suddenly they need to post hundreds of scores to beat someone who might not even post at all that week, and have far fewer platinums left to post than they thought they would have in subsequent rounds, where you might end up facing them.

A lot of people dislike sniping a win right at the end of the week. How do you solve that? You post as many platinums as you possibly can during the week to build an unassailable lead. If you post every score you can conceivably get within that week, then it doesn't matter when someone submits theirs, since it's not like you could have done anything about it anyway.

As far as tournament strategies go, both of these are complete non-issues as far as I'm concerned. They can be hard-countered by anyone who cares enough to try, and are only effective for some players because they don't ever actually end up playing someone who can be bothered neutralising that strategy.

There's plenty of other possible "strategies" (some of which I would argue are just outright cheating) that would be far more divisive and difficult to combat, so I really don't get why people are hung up on those two. Things like getting people to post intentionally bad scores on charts where you are 1/1 so that you get free platinums, identifying your likely next round opponent and giving them free platinums on 1/1s with the intent of taking it away the next week, or even deliberately requesting proof on the final day of the round so that the score is deactivated and the proof admins won't have time to reactivate it even if proof is uploaded immediately.

If anyone's doing those, then yeah, have an argument about fair play. That's pretty reasonable. But hoarding and posting last minute? Those are not useful strategies. It doesn't really matter how fair they are if you can neutralise them entirely.

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2019-10-17 14:43:42 - Last edit the 2019-10-17 14:59:07  
I'm reading all your comments on the tournament here, and I agree some, with others I don't. I think that it's important that we all look at how things are developping, and what we want for the tournament in the years to come.

I've been on VGR for a few years now, and the amount of platinums needed to stand a chance to get to the next round seems to have exploded. Yes, you can still get by a round without any effort if you are Lucky, but if i'm facing a bigshot in the first round, I won't even bother. And why is that? Cause I suck at some games that have 1000+ platinum scoring possibilities.

So the main point here is: do you want to have a vgr champion who is a champion at multiple games, or is it ok to have a "flow champion", or an "Angry Bird" champion? Cause that's the way we're heading right now, in my opinion.

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2019-10-22 22:03:12  
Yes @paulws, we have to chance the formula of the tournament soon. Or find an other "tournament" that will suit more ppl  

Anyway, good luck to everybody in the quarterfinal! I will write the resume tomorrow !

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2019-10-23 00:18:05  
Bonjour tout le monde,

C'est maintenant officiel : Le champion de ce tournoi ne sera pas celui d'un top 10 des têtes de séries. Basile embarquera forcément dans le top 10 après le tournoi, car il était 11e tête de série au début du tournoi.

Si nous comptons le reste des 32 têtes de séries, il en reste seulement que 2 : Basile (11) et TigrN (13). Selon moi, Basile a le plus chance d'arriver en finale cette année que TigrN et même remporter son premier titre.

Voici mes prochaines prédictions :

[B2H] Basile : 90%
[B2H] atomiks : 10%

[BF] TigrN : 65%
[B2H] Vivi_Stem : 35%

Asep : 15%
[B2H] quar : 85%

[DA] TRINDEL : 60%
RemoteFortress : 40%

Il risque d'y avoir une baisse de régime en terme de platines parce que plus de la moitié des concurrents toujours en liste ont posté en moyenne au moins 80 platines par semaine. Ça risque de changer pour ce quart de finale. Il y aura forcément du fair-play. Quar va prendre beaucoup d'avance sur Asep pour être sûr de passer un quart de finale facile. Ça risque d'être difficile pour Asep de suivre.

D'autres Parts, je ne suis pas convaincu que Vivistem va pouvoir atteindre plus que +5 cette semaine. Sait-on jamais avec ses équipiers avec qui ils sont? C'est presque assuré que Basile s'en va pour la finale. Tout dépendra des plans prévus par les BH2. J'ai le sentiment que Trindel va passer à travers RemoteFortress. Si il joue contre Quar au tour suivant, ça sera sûrement plus compliqué.

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2019-10-23 00:43:17  
Ca devient compliqué pour moi, les réserves sont quasi a sec… Et les 3 prochaines rondes seront toutes difficiles.
Bonne chance a tout le monde!!!!

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2019-10-29 10:24:38  
Salut tout le monde,

Eh, bien! Ce tournoi se revire en-dessus dessous : Plus rien ne concorde avec les favoris sauf un toujours en liste pour la victoire de cette édition. Seulement 1 bonne prédiction sur 4 pour le quart de finale. J'ai cru jusqu'au bout pour Trindel. Mais le premier duel au-dessus de la pool, je ne comprends plus.

Pour le reste de ce tournoi, tout fait place à l'interprétation.

Prochaines prédictions :

[B2H] atomiks : 90%
[B2H] Vivi_Stem : 10%

[B2H] quar : 50%
RemoteFortress : 50%

Grande surprise de voir Atomik encore ici. Je m'attendais à ce que Basile se rend en finale, mais ça ne sera pas le cas cette fois-ci. L'autre moitié de ma logistique tient encore la route pour celui qui se doit de se rendre en finale. Par contre, son dernier rival à passer reste Quar. Il a probablement toutes les chances de son côté pour remporter la victoire, mais l'équipe de Quar possède tout un arsenal pour le descendre. Est-ce que RemoteFortress réussira-t-il à garder le mûr de son château fort intact?

Du côté des matchs en équipe, un duel choc se prépare : Les Between Hell and Heaven contre The Dark Alliance. Quelle équipe dominera? Très difficile de donner un pronostic précis en ce moment. Il y a beaucoup trop de pondérable possible pour déterminer un gagnant assez tôt. Tout se jouera forcément jusqu'à la dernière minute.

Bonne chance à tous! C'est le dernier droit avant la finale. Faites de votre mieux!

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2019-10-29 11:02:32  
Congratulations to my opponent (and friend even if he kicked my ass   ) Atomiks for this round.
I did not expect him to send as many platinums as he send at the nearly end, congratulations to him!
Now, good luck to the 4 in the quarter finals.
I have time this morning to make a resume of this two rounds, stay tune! :)

Have fun while playing!

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2019-10-29 16:02:21  
hello everyone,

I'm very surprised to see how the tournament is coming along. Many big scoring contenders are gone, and we have 1 player in the last 4 who got this far with only 6 platinums. So good luck to all the semi-finalists :)

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2019-10-29 18:30:29  
Too bad I only believed in my chances about 1h before the end  
But the tournament was fun, hope I'll find more time to do records again.

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2019-10-29 23:40:14  

Asep :

Too bad I only believed in my chances about 1h before the end  
But the tournament was fun, hope I'll find more time to do records again.


It was your the best performence until here. Good Job!

paulws72: I don't wait that Vivi-Stem lead until here with only 6 platiums. He had a really good pool. But there, I doubt that it passes. It's been since the beginning that I think he's going out after 2 rounds and he's still there.

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2019-10-30 01:37:21  
Je comprends pas tout à l'anglais mais la proposition de Basile me semble intéressante au sujet des posts de dernière minute.

Basile propose une plage assez large (une journée entière), mais pourquoi ne pas dire que dans un delai d'une heure (disons entre 23h00 et 0:00), le tournoi peut s'arrêter à tout moment (ou toutes les 5 minutes, par exemple, au hasard, 23h35, 23h20, 23h55...) ? Ca oblige à la fois à être prévoyant (prendre de l'avance) et en même temps on peut jouer avec ses reserves (poster au compte goutte, selon les besoins).

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2019-10-30 11:39:58  

Asep :

Too bad I only believed in my chances about 1h before the end  
But the tournament was fun, hope I'll find more time to do records again.


I agree, by staying really discreet you could reach the semi-final! Too bad you don't believe in your skills..
Next time!  

@VGRZ: Yes, my idea will be knowing the last day of the tournament, but not knowing exactly when it will be, to not have 5 last min hoarding, because you can't know what are the last 5 minutes..  

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