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2019-05-12 01:42:57  
Simple answer: they forgot to Change the text on this fishes. As you already mentioned can we get those 3 fishes like every other fish in the Game. But this was the very first fish Event out of 13.

Atm all the other Event fishes are "not in the Game anymore" Right now, so it's impossible for me and everyone else to even touch your scores (not able to post a score)

I don't say this scores should be deleted, but they should not Count to Overall score of this Game until we can be sure that the fishes coming back.

And more of that: if those Event fishes "stay" as Event and come Maybe only once every year, then it's not a good idea to have them as "Standard score" on the site, because a score you can not even try because of very limited Chance times, then it's unfair for every other Player.

So what About the fishes of the last Event? If we add them and i "Maybe" have all the best scores of them and you don't, would you be happy to post your scores, even if you not sure that you have the Chance to beat or tie the scores in the future?

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2019-05-12 10:40:30  
"Simple answer: they forgot to Change the text on this fishes."

We don't know that.



"And more of that: if those Event fishes "stay" as Event and come Maybe only once every year, then it's not a good idea to have them as "Standard score" on the site, because a score you can not even try because of very limited Chance times, then it's unfair for every other Player."

Or we just accept that's the nature of this game. There's seasonal events and every player has the same chance to get scores. I can understand it beign frustrating for new players not having access to everything right away. I agree that if these scores won't be available at all anymore, then we should remove them. But I think it's very likely they will, so I would just give it more time to wait and see. And I don't think we have a way at the moment to deactivate just some charts from counting to overall score?



"So what About the fishes of the last Event? If we add them and i "Maybe" have all the best scores of them and you don't, would you be happy to post your scores, even if you not sure that you have the Chance to beat or tie the scores in the future?"

I was the first to post my scores when I noticed these new charts were finally added. Without knowing how good my scores are. I've posted everything I have and even I don't have scores for every chart because I've missed events. That's just the way it is. And it's possible not all players have posted their scores yet and can beat me. Or they wait until the vgr tournament to post them.

This is not the only game on the site that have limited/seasonal access to scores. So maybe it's good to open a topic for discussion on general guidelines for what kind of scores are accepted for this site. Also a lot of games have this always online requirement. So what happens to scores when servers for the game dies and some parts/features of the game or the whole game comes unavailable. Or when developers abandon their games and won't update the game to the latest iOS and it's impossible to even start the game if you have the latest iOS on your device.

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2019-05-12 12:08:42 - Last edit the 2019-05-12 13:23:24  
Was there not a idea of "making scores unranked" if they not playable anymore rather then delete them? Or was this an update idea of the site?

All i can say is, that this fishes are not in the Game anymore, so they should not count. Do we really need to w8 over years and maybe they never get free?

You know that i post mostly only scores i can tie or beat(or im happy with my score), so it is harder for me, to get a MB in a Game. But having NO option to even Post a score because the time was limited to make a score(catching at least 1 fish) then there's no fun in even trying to reach the MB.

On your point you can sit and w8 forever and have no problem to defend this MB even if you don't post new Scores. And besides that: what's the point of a score, noone can play anymore right now?
And i think there's a huge difference between: "limited time over the year" (if the event's coming back with the same rules and same fishes) and "never repeat again"

As i can see the first event was on March 2018 and the fishes of this event turned into "normal get" 10 months ago as a smaller "trial" event. This would be the July 2018

So even if the other fishes maybe come back, then we missing this option to be able catching those fishes after 3-4 months as regular fishes.
So how long we should w8 to see at least fishes of the 2nd event coming back?

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2019-05-13 08:30:51  
"As i can see the first event was on March 2018 and the fishes of this event turned into "normal get" 10 months ago as a smaller "trial" event. This would be the July 2018"

Where did you find this information of turning into "normal get"? And what's this "trial" event?

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2019-05-13 10:43:01  
My opinion on this topic is that you should not add limited-time scores.
Because you know that someday, they will probably not count on VGR, and be simply deactivated (or "unranked", placed in a secondary ranking, but surely not for the MB and the main Tops).
All the games which are in the actual VGR list, count for all global rankings, and should be playable now, physically or by buying DLC.
If you can't access to them, we need to deactivate these scores, and just let them visible on the site, just for information.

Smoka :


This is not the only game on the site that have limited/seasonal access to scores. So maybe it's good to open a topic for discussion on general guidelines for what kind of scores are accepted for this site. Also a lot of games have this always online requirement. So what happens to scores when servers for the game dies and some parts/features of the game or the whole game comes unavailable. Or when developers abandon their games and won't update the game to the latest iOS and it's impossible to even start the game if you have the latest iOS on your device.


Please make a list of games you know where there is limited/seasonal scores: i think they need to be deactivated...
When servers dies, we should also deactivate the online-requirement games concerned.
You can make another topic, in the Site or in General topic, to make this more visible and open the discussion to everyone.
I already know some games for IOS/Android devices where I can't buy them, we should clean this situation.

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2019-05-13 19:18:38  
@Smoka:
https://animalcrossingpocketcamp.gamepedia.com/Fishing_Tourney_1

And this 10 months ago Thing was from the first Post in the FAQ Forum 10 months ago
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/225791-animal-crossing-pocket-camp/76803718

But like zephyraz said, it is not a good idea to have scores that can not played Right now. Maybe they will come back in the future, but then we can reactivate them, again if this happen. It's better as to let them stay ranked and they will Maybe never come back.

And im honest with you. The game Shows not much of a "Standard" way we can follow/trust to bring back old fishes, even if you only check the ones that stays in the catalouge. Trust me, i would have more fun if we have more different fishes to catch, (specialy if you have allready all common fishes and try to avoid catching them) but atm on the vgr Point of view your scores are "impossible" to reach. So even if i get every Standard fish score of you tied, you will still be stay first because of this Event fish scores only you have.

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2019-05-13 22:08:43  
So, if we go with this rule that scores need to be always available to do and seasonal/event scores are not allowed.

Pokemon Go (Android/iOS)
-Pokemon pool available to catch is rotating, everything is not always available.
-There's region exclusives you won't be able to catch unless you go travel around the world. Or you can now trade with a friend if they have it.
-Some pokemon are available on limited time raids where you need help from other players to beat or have multiple phones & accounts yourself. Or trade from a friend.
-You can only catch mythical pokemon once and can't improve your score. Unless you have multiple accounts and level them up. Can't trade these.
-If you want to catch multiple Meltan, you or a friend of yours need to own a switch and let's go pikachu/eevee game to be able to catch more.


101-in-1 Games (Android/iOS)
In this game, there's some minigames that rarely appear in the shop (maybe once or twice a year for the weekend) and you need 1,000,000 gold to buy each. Once you buy it, you can keep it. But having a chance to buy it can be a long wait. It was like this when I last played it, so I don't know if there's been changes or not.

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2019-05-13 23:59:01 - Last edit the 2019-05-14 03:30:03  
I do not Play Pokemon Go, but if some Pokemon are "close to impossible" to get for everyone, then they should be separated to the Standard everyone can get.

I know that you have to travel some distance to get specific Pokemon, but i don't think everyone can simple make "Holidays/Vacation" in different Countries to catch Country limited Pokemon.
I think Pokemon Go was added to the site and noone complained about this Problem.

But again: what's the reason to Play a Game for score, if actually noone can compete Right know, because "it's removed from the Game atm"? (on ACPC)

And this 101 in 1 Problem you mentioned is maybe later the same Problem for ACPC. So let's say the Fishing Events repeat next year, so we can catch them 1-2 weeks every year. This would not solve the Problem of not able to beat/tie a score. If you miss them, you need to w8 another year.

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2019-05-14 08:10:24  
You don't play Pokemon Go, but if you were to start playing it now as a new player you won't be able to catch everything now. A lot of the legendaries, Gen 1 birds for example, have been available couple of times during the almost 3 years the game has been running. And nobody knows when they'll be available next time. Similar to ACPC problem you have now.

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2019-05-15 19:12:32 - Last edit the 2019-05-15 19:35:07  
It's not the same as you mentioned in Pokemon Go.

As far as i see every new Fish Event was different. There was no "it's now the 2. time with the same fishes"
The only Thing we have are the fishes of the very first Event over a year ago, so there's no knowledge of we get thoose other fishes again "for sure".

Maybe the Pokemon Go Community likes to travel alot for scores and never even think About the Limitation to get specific Pokemon, but How stupid is this for a Score Site if you can not Play every availabe score on the site if you have the Game? If we talk About scores with a Limitation of once per day is one Thing, but this goes over month/years into "Maybe never again" and this is BS.

I think you can say the same for AC New Leaf, but on this Point you can Change the 3DS Time to be able to catch different fishes/Bugs. But this is not possible on ACPC

And even then: what's the Point if you may loose this scores for a short (or Maybe Long) time if noone can put in scores and you are the "only Person" that's able to post scores.

So i would suggest we let this scores stay for now, until the new vgr Update is out with the Option to deactivated scores, then we should deactivate them for "not playable/available" resons. Maybe until this happen, the fishes coming back, but i doubt it.

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2019-05-15 20:32:58  
Not same? But still unavailable for who knows how long. And it should fall under the same rule.

But I do agree with you. And I said that if these fishes are not coming back we should just delete them. Maybe waiting until the next version of VGR is out and we have a way to deactivate/delete them is a good plan. If they don't start appearing.

But we really should have a general rule for these, what scores are allowed for the site. If scores need to be always available, which makes sense. Then we have problems with Pokemon Go and other games possibly. I just think it's not fair to delete charts from "Game A" and allow similar charts for "Game B". It will also be helpful when adding games in the future.

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2019-05-16 04:02:34  
Agreed. The Problem with Pokemon Go will just be: ppl would want to let stay every score, even if they not available, otherwise someone else would already mentioned it, that specific Pokemon are limited to Events, Raid, Countries ect.

But we need ppl to "care" About such Things. I know making a rule for one game does not Always work for another Game that's more popular (ACPC vs. P.Go) specialy if the ppl actually playing the Game are happy with how it is now.

And i also know that some ppl going crazy if it Comes to get the best legendary possible in that time Periode. But even if the P.Go Community don't care about limited scores, this should not affect the Situation on ACPC. (or other Games like this in the future)
But we will see. I mean we can talk about P.Go on Discord to Access the right ppl if we need more Information.

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2019-05-16 15:25:53  
I'm not talking about seperate rules for games. I'm talking about what counts for the global leaderboards as zephyraz said. A rule that determines what kind of scores are allowed on VGR and in it's rankings. Popularity of the game has nothing to do with that. VGR should be consistent.

If we make a rule that scores need to be always available. Then you don't deactivate/delete them from "Game A" and allow them for "Game B" because it's more popular. That's just BS.

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2019-05-20 00:26:23 - Last edit the 2019-05-20 00:27:39  
I did not say that we should not use the rule against Pokemon Go. The only Thing i said is, that the Pokemon Go Community is bigger and Maybe want to let stay every Pokemon, no matter if it's "impossible" to find.

But yeah, if the new Update Comes and we can unrank scores if it Comes to "not available for everyone having/playing the Game" score (because we must be more specific About that, so noone can say something like "but if you have no Money to buy a game, you also can not post scores" or something else) then we should discuss with Players of Pokemon Go, which Pokemon are limited or time restictred to catch (in short, how often you able to catch it to be able to make a score)
I mean if it's something like "once a year" then they should be unranked imo (just an example)
Or something like "travel to another Country to be able to make a score"

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