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2018-02-24 21:13:03  
Hello

VGR Tournament starting in a few days. I myself haven't been active in those since the first 3 I think. And as far as I know the tournament format has remained the same.
What I really dislike about the tournament is the strategy of stockpiling platinums and waiting until the last hour of the week until posting them and trying to counter your opponent on the last moments if possible. And depending on your timezone, could mean staying up late.

Here's a couple of quick thoughts/suggestions.

-Let the platinums carry over to the next rounds.
Yeah, it could mean someone unload 3000 platinums on the first week and win the tournament, but there would be some time left for those still in the tournament to fight back. or wait for the next tournament.

-When platinums carry over, add damage counter
If you survive to the next round, and the opponent you just beat got some platinums that week. Add those to your damage counter that also carry over to next rounds.

-Maybe a rule that you need to send proof for all platinums during the tournament week?

-Maybe team tournament could start after solo and not having them at the same time.

-PointsGame tournament?  

Thanks for reading.

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2018-02-24 22:37:51  
We cant do any modification for these tournanement, but i begin to re write this function for VGR V7, so its good to discuss about it.

The idea of the difference og point game between the begin and the end of the round maybe a good idea.

I participate a the next tournamement, bu i have not a lot of platinum to win,  so i will see.

So  you can give any suggestion for VGR V7  

2018-02-24 22:52:42 - Last edit the 2018-02-24 22:56:11  
Yeah. I would like some kind of change to the current formula of these tournaments.

I like your idea with the "Damage Counter" and the carrying over of platinums.
If I understand it correctly,
Player 1 vs Player 2.
Player 1 makes 300 platinums and Player 2 makes 100 platinums on the first week.
Player 1 advances with a Platinum Score of 200 platinums.
If Damage Counter is a term based on a certain game then I wouldn't know how it works.  

Sending Proof for all Platinums in the tournament would be tough, but it would slow down hoarding since we would have to send them much before the Deadline to be able to add proof to all of those platinums.
I personally don't think it would be a good idea (Since we had it as a requirement for all Platinums before and it wasn't well received).

Having both tournaments start one after the other seems like a good solution to the craziness and upset heavy situation the current system has because of the effect the Single's Tournament could have on the Team Tournament, yet at the same time, that would take too long and would have team players using less platinums per round to save up for the team tournament and those without a team wouldn't be affected by the Team tournament (Since they don't have to save some Platinums for it), giving them an advantage over Team Players.
There are Pros and Cons to this.

A Points Game tournament would be... hmmm...  
My first thought was that it would be difficult to implement... but now I am thinking it would be difficult for players to keep track of, which would make it even more of a challenge and thus a good thing in my opinion. It is too easy to get platinums if you post on games that have 2 members with hundreds of records, but you can't get many PointsGame from that. There is a lot to think about on this one.

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2018-02-24 23:11:30  
Yes, these were meant as a suggestion for the future tournaments. For V7 I guess, whenever that's released?

DEM: For example, I have now 1669 platinums that would work as a starting point for the tournament. What I meant was to keep that starting point the same through the tournament. I can win some platinums one week and lose them next week plus the added damage counter from previous opponents that will decrease your platinum count in the next week's matchup. Then if you make it to the 3rd week, you'll have damage counter from week 1 and 2.

2018-02-25 09:45:42  
Hmmm. I don't think I understand it then. Could you give a detailed example with numbers?

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2018-02-25 14:11:43  
Ok, if you look at the old tournaments for example.
https://www.video-games-records.com/tournament-old-t15.html

You have Start, End and Diff. for each week and after each week the amount of platinums in the "Start" is updated, so everybody start new week from 0. That's the current format. Basically it doesn't matter if you win 100 - 0 or 1 - 0. Win is a win and that's cool, but it just comes down to monitoring your opponent at the last minutes and winning with smaller margin is better so you can maybe same some platinums for next weeks battle.

My suggestion was that platinums carry over to next weeks, minus your opponents platinums. So if you win 100 - 25, 75 platinums carry over for second week. No starting from 0 each week. Maybe that's basically what you said earlier.   Maybe I was too tired while reading and writing a reply. My bad.

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2018-02-25 22:25:52  
I never thought about what you suggest Smoka, but the Damage Counter idea seems really good to me ! I want to know what the other think about this  

About a "PointsGame" Tournament, I'm not sure it's a good idea, since you "only" have to start playing a lot of new games to earn a lot of points. Furthermore, the players who are already playing a lot of game would be at a disadvantage ^^

2018-02-25 23:13:21  

Smoka :

My suggestion was that platinums carry over to next weeks, minus your opponents platinums. So if you win 100 - 25, 75 platinums carry over for second week. No starting from 0 each week. Maybe that's basically what you said earlier.   Maybe I was too tired while reading and writing a reply. My bad.



No worries. It happens.
I try not to reply to things when I am tired because it has happened to me too often.  
I do like that suggestion.

I am trying to think of the Cons to it, and it seems that someone could just send all their Platinums at once and make it near impossible for the 1st round opponent to beat them (Unless they do the same) and that means that the best they can do is make it a little easier for your second opponent to try to beat you.
At the same time, if you post all your Platinums on the first round, they will be open to be seen by everyone for longer and they can be targeted to be beaten over the course of the tournament too. It wouldn't be too wise to send all platinums at once...
Hoarding would still be a good strategy for this.
It would make for some interesting strategies then.
The Cons certainly don't seem bad compared to the current system.

A Pro that I found is that your suggested format would help eliminate inactive players as they wouldn't be getting Platinums...
Then again, if their opponents are always losing platinums, then they would have a Positive Score even while inactive...  

It is something to think about.

Ultim'D :

About a "PointsGame" Tournament, I'm not sure it's a good idea, since you "only" have to start playing a lot of new games to earn a lot of points. Furthermore, the players who are already playing a lot of game would be at a disadvantage ^^


They could be at a slight disadvantage, but It would make them focus on improving their own records. You can get a lot of PointsGame if you move up in the ranks of a Game. Maybe they will be at a disadvantage, but this would make them improve records which would be great for them and the site to see stronger records and more competition. Just a thought.

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2018-02-25 23:50:47  
It could be a PointsGame League instead of a tournament. There could be weekly news of who gained the most PointsGame each week and maybe give monthly points for top20 or something. It could be ongoing thing or last a few months.

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2018-02-25 23:57:54  

Smoka :

It could be a PointsGame League instead of a tournament. There could be weekly news of who gained the most PointsGame each week and maybe give monthly points for top20 or something. It could be ongoing thing or last a few months.


The idea of a league sounds better to me ! Maybe we could organize a league and every week/month we eliminate the players who earn the less PointsGame (or lose the more). And we continue until there is a winner  

2018-02-26 02:13:34  
A league does sound good too. I want to hear more from other members as well.

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2018-02-26 08:43:53  
A league is a good idea, and maybe more esay to program

2018-02-26 10:46:51  
Leagues seems great for me :)
I explain and then I'll give an example.
Something like 3 leagues of 25 player each, bronze, silver and gold league.
At the end of this tournament, we will take the TOTAL of won platinums of each members and the 25 players with the most platinums wonned will go in gold league, 25 other in silver league and bronze league will be completed with "qualification" to allows other players to enter the tournament. Each tournament, leagues will be created on this principle.
So if a bronze league player had for his total the highest amount of platinum won of ALL MEMBERS of ALL leagues, he'll go in gold league next time.
In each league, there'll be duels like now between same league members. BUT! If you're eliminated, keep winning platinums is important to keep a place in the gold or silver league , or you'll have to do bronze league qualification next tournament! :) It means even if you lost in a league, even if it's the first turn, if you don't stop posting a lot of platinum scores, you may pass from silver league to gold league for next tournament.

About bronze league qualification : post a amount of scores as currently to be in the tournament, just to get active members, no need to already spend platinums to be qualified.

About win with no last date spamming : each duel take one week. At the end of each day, we just calculate how much platinum each duelists won. At the end of the week, we create the total with a constant multiplication. This constant works like that : supposed the duels start Monday and end Sunday, for each platimnums won monday, they are multiplied by 4, Tuesday and Wednesday multiplied by 3, ..., weekend has a factor 1.
So, the faster you post, the bigger bonus you'll get.

However, total turnament platinium of each player to know the league for next turnament does'nt take the factor in account, a platinium is one.

I just gived that numbers as exemple, totaly free to change them or to say "wtf dude, you say shit" ;P

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2018-02-26 11:31:48  
Donc le premier de la ligue or s'il perd 500 platines d'un coup, il se retrouvre en bronze direct

2018-02-26 11:39:44 - Last edit the 2018-02-26 12:26:15  
At the beginning of a tournament, if somebody in gold league loose 500 trophy, he'll stay in the gold league to the end of this tournament. He just may loose his duel.
Even if he looses his duel, he'll have the possibility to keep winning some platinums to stay in the gold league.
If he looses them just at the end of a tournament, yep, he may won't expect that and may won't join a league for the next tournament. It depends on platinums of other membres.
If he won his duel btw, -500 pffff ez comeback, he'll stay in gold league, and keep doing duels in that league. However, the total gain of platinums will be numbered as if he lost since the first turn to put him in a league for next tournament.
When we are in a league for a tournament X, we stay in that league to the end of that tournament X. Be qualified for gold or silver league for tournament X is during tournament X-1.
Qualifications for bronze league for tournament X is during the week before the beginning of the tournament X.
We may give a bonus to the players in league to give them more chance to stay in a league for next tournament.
With that systems, all players is gold and silver league are players who played last tournaments cause they qualified with the platinums during that last tournaments.

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2018-02-26 12:07:19  
Maybe we can try to keep this thread in English, so everyone can understand what is said here.

I think a system where we can move only from Gold to Silver (or Silver to Gold), Bronze to Silver (or Silver to Bronze) is better than a system where you can move directly from Gold to Bronze (or Bronze to Gold). But a system where there is only one league could also be an idea.

This idea looks like what Blackshark did before with his BlackShark Championship I think.

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2018-02-26 16:11:43  
So what shark of dark is suggesting is a league for platinum medals.

Is it basically 3 groups of 25 players that each have their own mini tournament? And if they duel it out shouldn't it be 16 or 32 players in a group?
Looking at the current activity on the site, about 40 people posting scores weekly, I don't know how it would work. So I think just one league would be better to start with.

A lot of people here like to compete for platinum medals, so how about we combine the league to compete in 2 category.
VGR League where we compete in platinum medals and PointsGame. Both award league points evenly, so rank1 in both category gets same amount of points. You could be 1st in both. I would like it to be monthly based scoring, but we could award small points weekly for first 3 weeks (and maybe for fewer players, top5?), so there'll be some competition each week and last week of the month is the month total awarding big points for more players. (top25?)

So we would need to monitor platinum medals and PointsGame gained weekly and monthly.

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2018-02-26 16:22:03  

Smoka :

So what shark of dark is suggesting is a league for platinum medals.

Is it basically 3 groups of 25 players that each have their own mini tournament? And if they duel it out shouldn't it be 16 or 32 players in a group?
Looking at the current activity on the site, about 40 people posting scores weekly, I don't know how it would work. So I think just one league would be better to start with.

A lot of people here like to compete for platinum medals, so how about we combine the league to compete in 2 category.
VGR League where we compete in platinum medals and PointsGame. Both award league points evenly, so rank1 in both category gets same amount of points. You could be 1st in both. I would like it to be monthly based scoring, but we could award small points weekly for first 3 weeks (and maybe for fewer players, top5?), so there'll be some competition each week and last week of the month is the month total awarding big points for more players. (top25?)

So we would need to monitor platinum medals and PointsGame gained weekly and monthly.


In my opinion, we should create this league working with the PointsGame, and keep the VGR Tournament for the platinum (at least for the moment).

Then, we have, I think, 2 way to create it (in my exemples, I will take a simple league with 20 members, but it's just to explain better) :

1) A knockout system. We start with 20 members, and each week/month, we eliminate the last one (or two, or three ...). Then, a 2nd period is beginning and we're doing the same thing. We keep going until only 1 member left.

2) A "Points per Period system". Each period (again, it could be weeks or months), the member of the league who earn the most PointsGame earn a number of points (here I will call them PointsLeague), then the 2nd earn less points, etc. And a new period is beginning. At the beginning of every period, the number of points earned is reseted for every members. Then we start a new period and do the same thing. We chose in advance the number of period (for example 10), and at the end, we look who earned the most PointsLeague.


I hope this is clear  

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2018-02-26 16:51:05  
Its clear, i prefer your point 2) because on the point1) there juste few people participate at the end.

2018-02-26 17:05:01  
yep, i said 25, but 16 is clearly beter to be a power of 2.

The 2) of Ultim'D is very interesting.
Looks like a MarioKart cup, many races with everybody who play.
No BIG spam cause we have to do good scores each week ( so maybe just a moderated spam each sundays xP ) to win points.
No big surprise of the winner, impossible for semoene who only post the last week to get enough point to reach full tournament players.
I vote for that one and i regret to lost my time to write bigs and complicated messages xP

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