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2018-02-19 03:59:07 - Last edit the 2018-02-19 04:16:55  
Avec tout le respect que je te dois, et l'admiration de gérer un site de cette trempe Bart, laisse moi émettre une grosse réserve.
Lorsqu'on prends une décision de cette ampleur (oui, de cette ampleur), j'estime que l'on doit en informer en premier lieu ces membres, ou bien effectuer un sondage, une opinion des membres actifs et qui font vivre le site, car CE SONT EUX les personnes les plus importantes, si je ne m'abuse.

En l'occurrence, l'avis n'est pas complétement unanime, mais je crois bien qu'il n'est pas le bienvenue. Pourquoi?

Je vais m'expliquer.
Lorsqu'on m'évoque le nom Zimer, je n'ai que des mauvais souvenirs qui me viennent. Que le temps où VGR était en crise face à ces intenses tricheries sur le site (pas que Zimer, je pourrais en citer d'autres).
Seulement, je suis désolé, mais avant tout VGR est un site basé sur la CONFIANCE.
Que se passe t'il lorsqu'aucun de des membres arrive à faire confiance?
Ça ne marche plus.

J'ai confiance en Yi, j'ai confiance en Undead, en Bart... Pas en Zimer.
Peut importe le moyen, peut importe l'image, je suis désolé mais je n'aurai pas l'envie de me battre pour égaler ou battre un score dans lequel je n'aurai aucune.. conviction de vérité.

Perdre cette confiance, c'est perdre ses membres.
La demande de Yi semble bête, dénuée de sens et complusive.
Mais au contraire, elle ne l'est pas. Et je la comprends.
À quoi bon donner de son meilleur, jouer des semaines voire des mois pour obtenir un Badge lorsqu'on va te le reprendre d'un claquement de doigt, et que tu ne puisses pas savoir si c'est légitime ou pas?
Moi je ne souhaiterai pas jouer comme ça non plus.

Alors oui, ce que j'ai est contre toi Zimer.
Entièrement. Tu as eu des secondes chances, sur cyberscore. Résultat des courses, bani encore une fois.. allons, nous ne sommes pas la roue de secours de Zimer qui souhaite venir sur VGR juste parce qu'il ne peut plus poster sur cyberscore.

Je suis contre son retour. À 100%.
Je suis contre l'idée d'affronter des gens récidivistes en triche, car je ne pense pas qu'une entreprise vous laisserait travailler chez elle PLUSIEURS FOIS après que vous l'ayez volée. (Vous trahissez une fois? Ben vous êtes virés. Point final. On apprend de ses erreurs, certes, mais on EVOLUE et l'entreprise passe à autre chose)
Donc VGR doit passer au dessus, arrêter d'être clément la dessus, et simplement REFUSER son retour.

Je suis comme Yi, je ne souhaite PAS continuer de jouer, si je ne peux plus avoir la base même du site : LA CONFIANCE.

PS: cependant, je comprends bien que Bart ait laissé une chance à Zimer. Ça fait longtemps, il a peut être changé, il vient avec de bonnes motivations et semble motivé à prouver sa bonne foi.
Mais.. rien n'est crédible. Je n'y crois pas.

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With all the respect I have for you Bart, I do not agree.
When you make such a décision, I think that you have to tell and ask active members about this, because (maybe it's just for me) for VGR members are the most important people !

On this case, nobody have the same opinion, but Zimer seems not to be welcoming in a good way.

I'll try to explain myself:
When you said to me Zimer's name, I only have bad memories.
When Zimer was cheating (with other people, by the way) on VGR, destroying everything in the website atm.
For me, VGR is FIRST a website bases on the HONESTY/TRUST.
What happend when you can not trust in members?
It doest work anymore.

I trust Yi, Undead, Bart... Not Zimer.
No matter how, no matter the pictures, the proof, I'm sorry but I do not want to waste my time, trying to Beat scores that could be fake, that I can not trust.

Losing this confidence is losing his members.

Yi's request seems idiot, without meanings and compulsive.
But, on the contrary, it's not. I can understand it.
What's the point of doing your best, playing weeks, months, to get a MasterBadge, when somebody just get it easily and that you will never know if it's real scores or not?
I would not play this way.

Si, yes, I am against you Zimer.
You got second (s) chances on cyberscore. And you get banned, again.
We are not the place where you go when you can not post on Cyberscore again. I DO NOT AGREE at all with this.

I am against your xxx come back at 100%.
I am against fighting with people that cheat several time before.
Take the exemple of a company :
If you steal your boss, you're fired. that's it. End of the story.
You learn with your mistakes, the company evolve, as you might, and the company forgot you. Easy.

Si, VGR has to forget you, stop being kind on this point, and simply not allow your Come back.

I am the same as Yi. I do not want to continue here if I can not have one simple thing on VGR which is... TRUST.

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2018-02-19 08:45:55  
Je vais prendre en compte tous les avis et donc si effectivement une partie de la communauté est contre, je prendrai la décision qui s'impose.

I will take advise of all community VGR, and if some players are against i will take the décision...

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2018-02-19 15:37:14  
Basile sums up well my thoughts. If we can't trust players, the whole system of VGR falls apart. And we do not have any reason to trust Zimer. It's not like it's old story, if he was banned on CS last year. He cheated several times on several websites, during years.

The only way I could trust him again would be to have full videos of his setup and records so there's no doubt. Apart from that, I can't recommand anything but not letting him on VGR again.

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2018-02-19 16:12:46  

OkamiAma77 :

Basile sums up well my thoughts. If we can't trust players, the whole system of VGR falls apart. And we do not have any reason to trust Zimer. It's not like it's old story, if he was banned on CS last year. He cheated several times on several websites, during years.

The only way I could trust him again would be to have full videos of his setup and records so there's no doubt. Apart from that, I can't recommand anything but not letting him on VGR again.


I agree with Okami.
In my opinion, we shouldn't trust Zimer UNLESS :
- He post a video of his full setup (Every games and platform he send records on, with disc of game for non-digital game) to proof he's not using emulator.
- He post a video proof for EVERY records he's doing here (starting from the beginning of the record and finishing at the end, no cut allowed).

I can easily understand that this would be really annoying, but with the past Zimer has here and elsewhere, I think he can understand that we want to be ABSOLUTELY sure that he's 100% honest to be back here.
And I mention it again, but we MUST solve this case before the beginning of the tournament on the 1st March, because if we don't, this tournament will become a huge mess.

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2018-02-19 19:09:16  
Then first of: stop him from posting more scores for now.
But i think he will not learn, because he send the refused picture now the third time  

Get it Zimer. Video or leave. It is up to you...

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2018-02-20 07:17:11  
For what it's worth regarding Yoshi's Story, Zimer very reluctantly shared the strategy with me to achieve those scores last year.

I'm prepared to confirm that his Yoshi's Story scores are legitimate.

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2018-02-22 20:32:47  
Je suis totalement d'accord avec Basile. VGR repose sur la confiance entre les membres et pour moi il m'est impossible d'accorder ma confiance à Zimer. Quelqu'un qui a été banni plusieurs fois de VGR et de cyberscore, ne peut pas revenir une fois de plus. Comme à chaque fois, il nous fait le coup de 'j'ai changé", "je ne triche plus"... Et comme à chaque fois c'est du vent!
Il est nocif pour VGR.
Soit on le garde et VGR va perdre sa crédibilité et plusieurs de ses leaders (Basile, Yicestmoi, Undead...), soit Bart tu prends la décision qui s'impose.

I totally agree with Basile. VGR relies on trust between members and for me it's impossible for me to trust Zimer. Someone who has been banned multiple times from VGR and cyberscore, can not come back again. As every time, he makes us the shot of 'I changed,' "I do not cheat" ... And like every time it's wind!
he is harmful for VGR.
Either we keep him and VGR will lose its credibility and some leaders (Basile, yicestmoi, Undead ...), or Bart you take the decision that is required.

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2018-02-22 21:11:34 - Last edit the 2018-02-22 21:15:54  
Faut juste attendre la V7. Avec une copie du site de VGR dans le site de VGR, pour chacun puisse créer ses propres classements (fairplay, sans points, jeux compétitifs, [un classement fait par chaque membres actifs]...), pour ajouter soi-même ses jeux... tout çà en gardant les classements actuel du site sans les modifier.
@macicbart : je t'enverrai mes idées/solutions par mp quand je les auraient écrites + précisément.

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Et actualisé le règlement du site (+ précis, règles d'expliquer ces records avec lien internet des sources de la technique utilisé pour le(s) record(s), traduction, vidéo de comment utilisé le site de VGR, des règles par jeu d'un commun accord entre participants sur le jeu en question).

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2018-02-23 04:55:15  
My channel.

I request myself that an admin block me to post scores.

Video that proves that emulators are not being used have sent to some users by private message.

I had many accusations (one in mass) that I won until that accusation that I lost.

I requested the deletion of 1st account by myself and months later I lamented that decision. 2nd account was banned after that accusation. I tried later to redeem but nothing result me. I asked the permission later.

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2018-02-23 11:06:49  
I will check to block you temporally from post scores, i thing there is somethting to to that on VGR

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2018-04-08 00:28:02  
Je tiens egalement a signaler que le compte de l'utilisateur gushum est en réalité un compte fantome de Zimer, on peut voir sur ses preuves photos les initiales ZIM. J'imagine que le but était d'obtenir un avantage du fait d'avoir au moins un vassal dans les jeux ou Zimer etait le seul compétiteur.

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2018-05-04 13:47:40  
So, now that the VGR Tournament 11 is over, what is the opinion/decision concerning Zimer ?
Will he be authorised to stay on VGR, to submit scores, or not ?
Must he send only video proofs ?

I can only help for games I know, and I think the problem is not only Zimer, but the way how VGR grouped some Wii games with others (original versions).
I will talk about this later (end of May), I need time to gather some details.
But you can already discuss again about this tricky problem.  

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2018-05-22 12:05:46  
What about Zimer???
Why nobody answers to zephyraz?
This wobbly situation can not last anymore, there's only two ways:
1) if he's clean, leave him send his firsts places freely.
2) if he isn't, please remove his 910 records that pollute VGR since 3 months.

To remember to the youngests of us, Zimer confessed that he reprogrammed his games to make his highscores, and now, he's back with the same records and same pictures as at the time.
Thanks to VGR crew to take a clearly position, that each of us can draw the necessary conclusions.


où en est le dossier de Zimer???
Pourquoi personne ne répond à zephyraz?
cette situation bancale ne peut plus durer, il n'y a que deux solutions,
1, soit il est clean, et on laisse libremenent inonder le site de ses premières places.
2, soit il ne l'est pas, et on vire ses 910 scores qui polluent VGR depuis 3 mois.

Pour rappel aux plus jeunes d'entre nous, Zimer a avoué qu'il reprogrammait ses consoles pour faire ses high scores, et il revient 4 ans après avec les même scores et les même photos qu'à l'époque.
Merci au staff VGR de vous positionner clairement, que chacun puisse en tirer les conséquences qui s'imposent.

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2018-05-22 17:35:20  
magicbart asked us (on Discord) to send him a PM to tell what we think about the "Zimer's case" before he take a decision. He probably should have say it here I think, but if you have something to add, I think you can PM him. I definitely agree with the fact that whatever the decision is, it should have been done for months now ...

2018-05-23 01:12:19  

silvaphie :

To remember to the youngests of us, Zimer confessed that he reprogrammed his games to make his highscores, and now, he's back with the same records and same pictures as at the time.


I have been following Zimer's cases for a long time and I don't remember anything about reprogramming his games to make his scores. He did program a hack to acquire games on his Wii that weren't possible to get officially, but I do not recall any proof that his scores on his real games being modified. Could you link sources to that?

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2018-05-25 15:31:02  

Dark Eon Master :

He did program a hack to acquire games on his Wii that weren't possible to get officially


isn't it enough???

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2018-05-25 19:21:18  
Obviously, this player hacked for a long time and I do not think he will stop there. His place is not on VGR. There are other sites for that. I am a Youtubeur named Laupok. He talks about the different hacks, bugs or speedruns of classic games. It's complete and very detailed.

When I think there are sites that allow the hack to make incredible times, I wonder what Zimer is doing on VGR. I remind you that on VGR and Cyberscore, we do not allow emulated games. There are surely other sites that allow it. But, I will never agree with this kind of practice: The TAS. I think that's what he does in general. Maybe not for all games, for a good part, surely.

I think no one would agree that a player is playing illegal games that are not available on a console without the hacker.

There is too much discomfort in his remarks to be admitted again on VGR. His explanations are too vague.

2018-05-26 23:29:48  
As Far as I know, He doesn't TAS, He doesn't use hacks to achieve better scores, he doesn't use anything that we can't use on the same game. He finds and abuses Exploits on many games. I don't know his full history with emulators, but the games I am familiar with, it doesn't look like he used emulators. Ever record that I am up against him, I don't get the feeling that it was cheated. I can see it being very possible, just that one would have to be incredibly dedicated to achieve such a score as his.
You could say he fears second place... if that is true, it is understandable to lengths that he would go to prevent being in second place, Hopefully lengths that would be bound to Rules, like the ones on the site.

I don't agree with using hacks or mods for any reason, and certainly not for getting a game on a system where it isn't officially released. I think Zimer and the people against him misunderstand each other. People should come forth and give their opinions of what they suspect and why, instead of just showing hate. We need to communicate as a community should. That also includes Zimer. If he wants to stay here, he has no choice but to speak and communicate.

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2018-05-27 18:59:05  
First of: Zimer is not the only one was suspected to be a cheater ever, but he's the only one that got a "last Chance" twice and he lost it, because he's to much into hide "strats" how to get scores in a game (by pure skill or exploids/glitches) and on his Position right now, he's not allowed to hide anything anymore.

Still there not much of Zimer himself trying to solve this Problems, more over he just post scores over scores since he's "back". He is actually on a Point, that he think's hes 100% back on vgr again, because over months nothing happen.

And thats just the whole wrong way.

And a Long time we said he should stick with Video proof only, but since then there many scores prooven of him from someone i don't know. And his new Videos for Boom Blox doesn't Show how he got a score, it just Shows the scores on the scoreboard ingame.

Like i said above, Zimer is not the only one, but he's the most known about this Situation. And how many ppl got more then one chance to come back?
For me: for the simple fact, that he's to much silent even on a Topic about him just Shows me, that he try to be more on the "shadow" site(meaning, he don't want to Show more of himself exept of his scores only) and this makes me say he should NOT stay on the site.

If Zimer starts to be more "open" (and stay open) about his scores, then i have no Problem, but his past makes me hard to believe that every score of him is legid.

If magicbart want, i can PM him this whole post, but i think he should be more active on this, because actually magicbart himself is the reason why Zimer is back, because of lacking imformation and saying to fast "yes you can come back"... (nothing against you @magicbart, but this whole Situation startet with you   )

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2018-05-28 18:47:35  
You're right about that Undead: He's been asked for video evidence of how he's doing his strats for his records, but he's still silent. It necessarily means that he hides something.

It seems to me that when you had two chances to get back to you and that you did not follow up in a conclusive way, you should give up.

The fact is that he does not want to show everything makes me say two things:

1- He wants to hide his strats to avoid being beaten;
2- It is anti-competitive.

Rendered to the point where he is, he can not hide anything from us. Otherwise, it's the whole world that will close the door one day.

Dark Eon Master : I think that I and the others have been looking for answers to our questions. But, he does not provide enough evidence to prove to us that he is in good times. If you are talking about Super Smash Bros., there is nothing wrong. These are other partitions that are involved.

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