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2018-02-24 13:40:16 - Last edit the 2018-02-25 22:36:39  
I'm creating this thread to deal with a problem of a fake proof Silver has posted here.

We can see that Silver's proof is just a picture he took with a camera of MiMo's proof (He probably displayed MiMo's proof on his computer's screen and took a picture of his screen). The DS on Silver's proof is not the same than the DS in his other proof (On this proof it's a classic grey DS, on other Silver's proof it's a Blue 3DS).

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/416332432820928533/416731382232907786/Mario_64_DS_Mix_a_Mug_same_Game.png"

The proof at the top is MiMo's, the proof at the bottom is Silver's. You can see the DS is dirty on the same spot, the score of the mini-game on the right in the same, and on Silver's proof you can see the white background of VGR on the right top corner. (Thanks to Undead for this picture comparing the 2 proofs).

I already sent a PM to Silver to ask him to cooperate and to tell us if he has other fake proof or record. Since he isn't active here anymore, I'm not sure he will answer me.

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2018-02-24 14:03:23 - Last edit the 2018-02-26 12:31:39  
Silver15 was already caught cheating in another game. He used a cheat code to get Star Power on New Super Mario Bros DS.

As such, he would be cheating on two different games, with two different methods. At this point, we can assume there is a significant probability that he also have other false scores. Therefore I recommand to let it two weeks to explain himself, as per the VGR rules, and then take the appropriate sanction depending on what he has to say.

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2018-02-25 17:51:47  
That's a pretty clear proof theft. Should be a straightforward ban, but his cheating needs to be investigated.

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2018-02-25 19:22:39  
Looking closer, it's the same proof. He used someone else's proof to prove his records. It's cheated and it should not be accepted.

I'm surprised. He had never cheated before. I do not remember if it was me who had proved this image for his record in the past when I was controller.

It requires thought and vigorous investigation. What tells us he did not do that elsewhere?

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2018-02-26 10:25:25  
As specified in the rules, Silver15 has 2 weeks to come here and to explain himself and cooperate, it means he has until the 10th March

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2018-02-26 11:09:24  
Well done, that's clearly a cheat and Silver15 should be banned for this.
In Silver15 picture, you can also see the reflect of his picture device in the PC screen, just above the left corner of the 9999 score. There is also a little red point.

To avoid this situation of pictures copy, I strongly recommend you to add a specific tag (like a signature: paper, button, symbol) to your own picture. And to put into it where somebody else can't cut or crop, even if you can already write something inside (commonly 3 characters).
In my personal case, I put "NIC" or "Nicolas" when I can. But because it's not enough (there is a lot of people starting with these name), I always add "zephyraz" button to my pictures.

2018-02-26 11:18:00 - Last edit the 2018-02-26 11:26:47  
Maybe put in the VGR's codes a program which put a big "transparant but not totaly" "VGR" in the middle of approuved pictures, it would help to solve that kind of problems.

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2018-03-04 23:59:06  
Good evening,

First of all, I wanted to thank Ultim' D who contacted me personally so that I could explain myself about his accusations.

Indeed, the proof is a photo stolen from MiMo as many of you have noticed. I could have shown that these accusations were unfounded (I have a grey DS with which I have already proved a number of records, for example here. The camera that zephiraz is talking about is my 3DS camera, my only way to take pictures at the time, in 2012. The reflection that we can observe is the one in my PC. I could have simply said that I had decided to prove with my 3DS a record already transmitted on PC, but on which I had no Internet connection unlike my 3DS...).

If I tell you all this, it's also to explain my beginnings on VGR, which are also my beginnings on the Internet.

When I arrived on the site (early 2012), I was only posting on Super Mario 3D Land ! Everything was going well. I was a big admirer of Emperor91's work and I played hard on this game, always open to new strategies on speedrun with my friend shark of dark !

Around April 2012, I then left SM3DL to discover the other VGR games. An environment populated with records, and when you see how easy it is to post a lot without being stopped and you're as naive as I used to be, you lose control. That's why I started to post a certain number of first place "equality", believing that it would pass unnoticed! All I had to do was prove with false proofs if there was a problem. However, Hikari was not fooled by this little ride ! He found that my proof was false. After consultations with the other controllers, a large part of the false records were deleted, I think here of Oekaki Puzzle Battle! Yuusha Oh Gaogaigar Hen and Picross DS. This is a proof of the era that we are dealing with today !

For the rest, you know everything. I used an R4 to play NSMBS as OkamiAma77 reminded.

All my worries about VGR stem from what happened at the beginning of 2012. If I had been straight from the start, none of this would have happened. Afterwards, I had the chance to be part of a great team with whom we were still 2nd in the site for not a year. It was a fantastic experience. I tried to hide and forget my past during this time... That is to say that after the history of the R4, I only posted real records, I had understood the lesson. Of course, I wasn't able to prove everything, which pissed me off a bit... How could I expect to be considered as a "Trust user" when I only had 10% of records proved? Since I couldn't remedy the situation, I decided to stop coming on VGR, my last posted record was set in April 2015. I was hoping to return to VGR after my studies (around 2020) and become clean despite a dubious past. However, the discovery of shark of dark has precipitated this return: I had left a false proof (it dates from June 2012, before the first cheating topic concerning me)

I do not hope that all those who will be hurt by my message will someday forgive me. I just had to explain myself ! When I was 15 years old, I was really an immature boy! I wasn't able to tell the whole truth when I was accused because I wasn't assuming. However, today, I assume and that's why I'm here !

All I hope is that even if you decide to delete my account for my mistakes, you will still let me come back in a few years. I have not posted since 2015 and I do not intend to return before 2020. You could say I was banned for five years ! I assure you, I am well aware that what has been done in the past is wrong. If you ever allow me to come back, it'll be with 100% proof. I am not (more) a cheater, I've grown up !

By the way, coming back to the cheating topic, here's my proof for the level concerned, I think it was the last false proof(I have checked). Since I really had the record, I must have forgotten to change... I assure you that I am playing fair with you, I am 21 years old today and I am doing my best to be a fair person. In 2 years, I will be an Electrical Civil Engineer and I will do everything to make this world a better place!

https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2018/09/7/1520203229-proof-silver-9999.jpg"

My only goal has always been to be an excellent Mario player.

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2018-03-05 10:11:03  

Silver15 :

However, Hikari was not fooled by this little ride ! He found that my proof was false.
I don't remember having anything to do with any of your proofs but thanks for giving me credit I guess.  

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2018-03-05 13:49:07  
Thanks Silver15 for explaining everything, it is really appreciated   I think everyone makes mistakes when young, and what's important is to learn for it.

As there were many games where you cheated, I think that removing all records is necessary.
However, since you admitted everything, and didn't post since years, I think you deserve the right of a second chance. As such, I don't think any post ban is needed.

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2018-03-05 16:54:20  
Thanks a lot Silver for answering here, even if you're not an active member anymore. The staff will discuss about it and we will give you news of it. The measure will be applied after the tournament.

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2018-03-05 18:49:41  
Hikari : It still dates back to 2012, so it's understandable  

OkamiAma77 : I agree with what you're suggesting, but under these conditions, I'd like to save some proofs before you erase it. I am thinking here of some unregistered records for which I have provided a proof and which I never want to repeat because it would be a complete waste of time. For example here.

I would still have the punishment of having to repost slowly and with 100% proofs this time, which you will be able to verify properly.

Ultim'D : You have plenty of time to make this decision because, as you recall, I am no longer active.

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2018-03-05 19:19:14  

Silver15 :

OkamiAma77 : I agree with what you're suggesting, but under these conditions, I'd like to save some proofs before you erase it. I am thinking here of some unregistered records for which I have provided a proof and which I never want to repeat because it would be a complete waste of time. For example here.


You should be able to download all your proofs on your proof page. It might take a while since there's a lot of them, but you'd be sure to not miss anyone  

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2018-03-05 19:30:26  
 

Thank a lot for this information !

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2018-03-08 14:31:56  
Kudos for your honesty, Silver.

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2018-04-25 08:34:56  
As we agree, I deleted all your score and you can now submit to a clear account.

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