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2020-05-19 07:37:01  
I created this topic by some VGR staff's recomendation. This is for 2 reasons:

1-Abuse of last sentence of 2.1 rule that says "A score value of 0 (zero) that you have not achieved yourself is prohibited." I'm good in SSB series and he had some decent/good scores, but every time that some scores are beaten by me, he changes the score to 0 and that problem have been practically 2 years.

2- This was found by myself. This is a picture. 2 to be exact

Top picture belongs to SHNGHN and bottom is from another user. In this case Lucario.

All the proofs shows 3 scores, top is the score for selected character, center is the best score for the selected mode (in this case Rival smash) and bottom is the total for all characters. In this case we will focus in top and center.
In my proof (Captain Falcon score is 350 while my best is 9417 with Robin), the rest of proofs always top is lower than center. Lucario for example his score is 67 and his best is 257 (Dr Mario to be exact).
In SHNGHN's photo, score with Captain Falcon is 289 while his best score is 272 with Bowser. This is not possible because in both cases score, should be 289. Really strange.

Some days later I improved my score and he changed his score again to 0.

Sellyme said this:

"Definitely doctored. Notice how the ELA cuts off at perfectly straight edges.

Compare to a legitimate score (Djon's 86 with Dark Pit), where the ELA is very fuzzy and follows the contours of the characters."


Definetly VGR staff should care about this.

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2020-05-19 12:44:56 - Last edit the 2020-05-19 13:03:06  
SHNGHN profile

1) SHNGHN has 11 scores 0, already or ongoing deactivated, in different games:
Mario Party 5  (NTSC)
SSBBrawl
SSB for WiiU: please check his Captain Falcon score, where he beats Zimer (yellow square)
SSB Ultimate

These 0 scores are forbidden in VGR. He gets proofs asks for them, in order to see his real scores, or deactivate them. If he goes over 30 deactivated scores (black squares), he will be automatically blocked for posting new scores.
So it's his problem if he goes that way, unfortunately.
It will better that he explain himself here before, because I agree this is a strange behaviour.

2)This is more important, and clearly requires explanations.
I wait comments of other members, especially those who played SSB series.
By the way, your links (for ELA and legitimate) are blurred.
But if he modified pictures, we can't trust his scores in this game, or worse, elsewhere.
This can be a risk of ban for him.
I invited him to answer here in the next 15 days (so before June, 3rd).

2020-05-19 14:26:50  
My input:

SHNGHN is banned on Cyberscore and already has a bad track record.
If its impossible to have an higher score for the selected character than the highest score for the selected mode... then I would like to hear SHNGHN explaining something impossible.  

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2020-05-19 15:28:24  
I would love to as well.

I am not a rocket scientist, but I do know what has been said by others in the community. Not only being banned from Cyberscore, but he was IP banned 6 different times, for having multiple accounts, which is obviously a big violation. I would also like for him to explain the impossible, Panda.

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2020-05-19 15:41:02 - Last edit the 2020-05-19 15:53:56  
My score is really hard to get because Captain Falcon has weak attack and I found a new rare thing in his proof and it has to be with GSP which is part of the game.

GSP is an extra data that is relative with online matches. When you start the game all is normal in scores having the scores with a little empty space. When you play at least one online match for fist time, this empty space is filled with a number that is GSP. Playing more matches in online mode will increase GSP. For play modes, each one has his own pattern in GSPs. You play for scores and at the beginning GSP increases a lot and after is few. When you finish a score has his own GSP.

If top and center scores are the same (it means the best score for a particular mode), GSP must be the same. Look at my proof in Rival smash with Robin and Salsupe's proof in the same mode with Luigi. It shows our best scores and GSP is the same in top and center scores/GSP.

In SHNGHN's pcture, his best score is  Captain Falcon which is the same in top and center, BUT GSP is different which I'm even more convinced that he manipulated photo. GSP must be the same.


EDIT: Definetly he manipulated his proof. His GSP in first evidence that I posted is the same with his new picture.

2020-05-20 01:48:17  

zephyraz :

By the way, your links (for ELA and legitimate) are blurred.

These are actually not blurred. It is an Analysis of the image data of the pictures to see if there has been any editing. If you look closely at the digits, the outline is straight edged on SHNGHN's Picture while on Djon's the outline of the digits are rounded.

Zimer :

In SHNGHN's pcture, his best score is  Captain Falcon which is the same in top and center, BUT GSP is different which I'm even more convinced that he manipulated photo. GSP must be the same.


EDIT: Definetly he manipulated his proof. His GSP in first evidence that I posted is the same with his new picture.

Yeah I definitely noticed that first when I saw his new picture. He literally can't fool us. GSP has to match if the scores are the same. Even different characters with the same exact score (within the same mode) will have the same exact GSP. No Exceptions. His picture is impossible and was clearly edited with multiple proofs of it.

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2020-05-20 11:14:24  
Here is the message sent bt SHNGHN, and agreed to share:

I admit that I had taunted zimer into improving, then I realized that even posting such a joke was an embarrassment, so I removed it & had no regrets in doing so. I decided (just now) to remove all of my multi-man pics (even if I placed 1st) do to zimer eventually playing every character in every multi-man mode & getting a ridiculous 1st place high score, which would be impossible for a normal player to achieve anyways.

Look at this video of his for an example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XS9cLvZdnCg

First off, they're always choppy videos and second off, he does not even show the whole video from the beginning. Who knows if he's using a tool to somehow implement cheat-videos.

Here's his YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/DarkZimer/videos

You can copy this response if you'd like & say that these were the words that I mentioned here @ VGR.

It's not fun when someone like [Zimer] has been given another chance to come back @ VGR, then post his Ridiculous 1st-Place High-Scores (That look legit, just because there's some kind of video on it over @ YouTube.)

You said that you will delete some of my scores here (Possibly the ones that refer to my "0" scores & may be beyond that too.). That probably be for the best cause I do not plan on submitting again on pages that's Polluted with [Zimer]'s Overrated (& Impossible to beat 98% of them.) 1st Place High-Scores anyways.

To be Very Honest, before zimer's return, I Enjoyed this website very much, even if I got 2nd, 3rd, OR even 4th (Or below that too.) Place on some of my records here @ VGR.

...but

When zimer's been given a returning chance (even till this present day.) Every Single page he has posted on has shown him in 1st place. Sure, you got some people like ZeRo in Smash Ultimate that happens to be one of the best players in the World, but even he has shown that he's had a couple handful of some losses within some of his matches, by showing that he made some game-playing mistakable choices, while still showing this off in some of his videos too, but why would zimer just cut-off videos from the beginning?

Sure YouTube gives you an edit feature, but he doesn't even show the beginning of how he starts his videos + as a serious World-Record Recorder, he should have just showed off his entire videos & put some numbered options to skip ahead to in the first place anyways.

For an example: "I got the world record here @ 21:51, with my High-Score being @ 947 & this previous record was 782."
(This video may be @ 35:41 seconds total.)

Thanks to zimer's-ruined-vgr-return, you minus well delete my account & everything I posted here.

Thanks for your message here @ VGR,

shnghn


...I admit to taunting zimer the second time (This time, being irritated by his existence on vgr.) on the rival falcon wii u chart, but this time, unable to remove pic. (Should have just left it at "0")

Zimer has had 2 accounts also over at cyberscore.me.uk! Here they are in a single link:
(Just click on either name.)

https://cyberscore.me.uk/search.php?s=zimer

As you can see, he has also been Banned from cyberscore.me.uk

Since no Admin will Delete his account here at VGR, I do not wish to post where his scores are & wish to have all my "0" scores Deleted instead + Delete my account since Admins feel to do so.

I don't feel like responding on zimer's posted section either just to get Roasted by some of the following members (& more to come.) there either:

https://www.video-games-records.com/thepandaemperor-profil-m8152.html

https://www.video-games-records.com/mwt-2-0-profil-m7507.html

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2020-06-03 17:06:55  
Limit time made by zephyraz have been expired.

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2020-06-03 23:55:33  
Well, the fact that even he cant respond to all of these allegations, but instead has to have Zephyraz (nothing against him) relay it to us, shows us his true character. He was caught. End of story.

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2020-06-04 16:14:07  
Depending on all the elements I received from him, and from the weak amount of comments here in VGR (especially from admins who played this game, except Dark Eon Master), I will decide about his case, tomorrow I think.

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2020-06-05 16:34:12 - Last edit the 2020-06-05 16:34:42  
Sorry but at the last moment I had new elements concerning SHNGHN (but also Zimer) to study.
So I will delay my decision to the next week.

In the next few days, if other admins or SSB for Wii U players (Lucario, Foxof, Basile, Djon, Ultim'D, tomgeek, ... where are you ?) can help with the situation, notably check the remaining proof for Captain Falcon, and add new elements here, it would be nice.

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2020-06-05 16:48:37  
"I admit that I had taunted zimer into improving,",
= so all his last pictures were fake and quick photoshopped to display a higher number +1 of Zimer's score with the "mistake" found by me, Zimer and others guys.

before that, when Zimer beat him, he always edit his previous real score this time with a 0.

No more word to add on this topic for me

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2020-06-06 13:47:32  
I have this topic at the time it was published. But, I didn't really follow this topic back and forth.

I don't see how a player can steal evidence from other players let alone show a picture of a score above the all-time high. It's impossible. An absolute record is the best record you have ever made in a game mode with the character in question.

In the case of Zimer, it is difficult to prove that he is cheating on what part. I do not see how it can cheat on SSB Wii U, I have not seen any anomaly in this sense in this series. But, it is true that posting only first places, just that + rests a score higher than another play at the same time as it is beaten can give rise to questioning. I just noticed on shnghn changed nationality: He is made Canadian instead of being American. Do you understand something in there?

My only question relates to Yoshi's Story. I remember that Zimer made 10,000 points everywhere, but he never showed in full how to make this score on all tables. The only video he could show was when he was playing the last level with his last Yoshi before entering the Boss Final room. And yet, how is it that my score stops at 9,999 points at level 4-2 while Zimer can exceed this score by +1 while the score stops completely at 9,999 points? I remember I was told about a glitch or a, but which one? This has never been demonstrated in my memory. It must be about 2 years old. If he can reach big records, others can do it. But, if everyone and me (except Zimer) is not able to explain such a phenomenon and we are unable to reproduce (even by professionals), can we question all the records that Zimer has achieved?

I admit that the question of +1 when Zimer is beaten requires serious thought. It is abnormal that each time he is beaten Zimer creates a topic against the player so that he is eliminated from the list.

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2020-06-11 05:19:02  
Photoshoped proof is validated.

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2020-06-11 12:26:36  
Now I have time to deal this.

[Zimer :

]Photoshoped proof is validated.

Not by me.
So, when I ask to other admins who know the game, they validated the proof that was artificially modified ...    . I don't know who has done this, but for sure it is a mistake.
shnghn said in his previous message that this Captain Falcon score was cheated. I received also today another message from shnghn, who confirmed it has to be removed.

After reading again this topic here, and messages from shnghn, now it's time to take a decision.
1) shnghn abused of 0 scores, which is not allowed in VGR. He has 11 times a 0 score, and these 11 scores are now deactivated.
2) shnghn modified some of his pictures with software (and he admited it): this is not allowed, and clearly a reason for a ban.
Also, some of his pictures can be misunderstood by admins (who know the game !  ).
It means his cheat was a good quality one, so very dangerous for VGR and trust between members.
3) Even if I should check it, I don't mind what happens in other websites, we need to be independant and objective.
4) Even if check sometimes Discord server, everything written over there is not a priority, compare to VGR where everything is saved and classified by topics and themes (for reminder... ).
So I only based my judgement on what is written here, and with shnghn Personnal Messages (hopefully quick answers, clear and honest).
5) Even if the modified images of shnghn was difficult to detect, he let bad details (wrong match for record high GSP, and pixel or digital data analysis showing the modifications)
6) shnghn admitted his cheat to me in some PM.
7) shnghn cheat is linked to Zimer's return in VGR: his "impossible to beat 98%" records, and the fact he never proove a full video of his records in this game, here or even in YouTube.
Until proven otherwise, Zimer's records are legit in Super Smash Bros. for WiiU game.
Lucario, who is the MB owner and leader for platinum medals in this game, see no anomaly in this game (or series of games).
If anybody think differently, you can still open a cheating topic for that, we are still and always open for discussions and verifications.


Considering all upthere, the decisions are:

A) shnghn must be banned. Since 29th Februar 2020, a period of 4 months ban will be applied.

B) Zimer must proove at least one full run video for Super Smash Bros. for WiiU.
He has 151 platinum medals in this game, some of them made last month (408 with Roy, 444 with LinkCartoon, 350 with CaptainFalcon), so his ability level is still there nowadays.
He has the choice of the character, and a reasonable period of 3 months to do it (so until 11th September 2020). Also, the VGR v7 will arrive soon and make easier the links to YouTube, and Zimer is already familiar with it.
More than one video would be nice, and definitively stop ambiguous situations.

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2020-06-11 16:45:44  
Zimer surely has a lot of patience to set these crazy records. I had once seen on Cyberscore's discord how he made the maximum score with Marie in training.

It is true that for patience games like Cruel Mode, Endeless Mode or Rival Mode, it deserves a good presentation of its incredible records. Otherwise, everyone will doubt their legitimate records that are almost impossible to beat. What will always amaze me, an excellent player like Zimer should in principle show some of his stuff and in full. Because otherwise, even the others will doubt some of his records being said to be legitimate and impossible to beat 98% of the time as Zephyraz says.

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2020-06-11 17:28:50  

Lucario :

Zimer surely has a lot of patience to set these crazy records. I had once seen on Cyberscore's discord how he made the maximum score with Marie in training.


I have very few full runs in SSB4 WiiU, just make a search in my channel. SHNGHN saw my videos of the game (including full runs) only to mark them as deslikes.

About topic I have nothing more to say.

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2020-06-18 13:10:23  
Zimer sent at least one video proof link, for 3min Smash record with Bowser (205) (VGR record here)
The video is here (YouTube).

Thanks Zimer.  
It is clearly not the best gap between you and the 2nd (only 10% better than Lucario), compared to records where you really dominates with more than 500% better than the 2nd like Multiman smash - Rival smash like here
or in other category like Multiman smash - Endless smash like here, 300% better than the 2nd.

People will probably say that your video proof is not enough to see your skills if you're only 10% better than the 2nd. 
But in the Bowser 3min record, you're 1st/11 members, so 10 other members can't do better, including Lucario who is the MB leader in this game.
You also answered quickly, thanks for that.

For me, it's OK for Zimer.
So I hope that's enough for others to see his high level in this game.
Zimer, in the next future, especially when you made big gaps with others, it will be better to proove directly by video (links on YouTube), and also because you're already familiar with it.
The version v7 of VGR should be release soon (summer 2020), prepare yourself to proove more with videos.

For me, this topic is done.
I will report a resume of this in the Cheater's history (VGR Team) topic for shnghn.

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