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2013-10-15 14:38:48 - Last edit the 2013-11-02 13:09:14  
Suite au problem topicouvert sur le jeu Sega Rally Championship, il faudrait qu’ un ajouteur reformule  les groupes de records ainsi:

Time Attack-Celica Standard-AT
Time Attack-Celica Standard-MT
Time Attack-Delta Standard-AT
Time Attack-Delta Standard-MT
Time Attack-Stratos Standard-AT
Time Attack-Stratos Standard-MT
Time Attack-Celica Tuned-AT
Time Attack-Celica Tuned-MT
Time Attack-Delta Tuned-AT
Time Attack-Delta Tuned-MT
Time Attack-Stratos Tuned-AT
Time Attack-Stratos Tuned-MT

Avec, dans chaque groupe, les sous-groupes suivants :
Desert - 3 Laps
Desert - Fastest Lap
Forest - 3 Laps
Forest - Fastest Lap
Lake Side - 3 Laps
Lake Side - Fastest Lap
Mountain - 3 Laps
Mountain - Fastest Lap

(je précise à nouveau les sous-groupes car il y avait une faute d’ orthographe qui rajoutait un « r » à Forest)
A noter : le groupe « Arcade Mode »  et ses sous-groupes ne sont pas à modifier, on les laisse  tels quels.

Il y aura donc 6+12x8= 102 records pour ce jeu.

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2013-11-02 12:54:27 - Last edit the 2013-11-02 13:03:40  
Je m'en occupe

EDIT : Voilà c'est fait, si jamais vous voyez des erreurs (toi et Lafungo), n'hésitez pas a venir me voir

2019-08-16 18:29:07  
It says there are 102 records for Sega Rally on Saturn, but there are only 86 to claim, how do we get it corrected? Thanks

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2019-08-16 18:33:12 - Last edit the 2019-08-16 18:33:37  

RemoteFortress :

It says there are 102 records for Sega Rally on Saturn, but there are only 86 to claim, how do we get it corrected? Thanks


Are you saying that there are only 86 records on VGR but there are 102 in the game, or 86 in the game but 102 in VGR?
What's wrong with the game?

2019-08-16 21:03:39  
Hi, there are only 86 to claim in the game. VGR is showing 102 which is incorrect. Thanks

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2019-08-16 23:32:54 - Last edit the 2019-08-16 23:33:22  

RemoteFortress :

Hi, there are only 86 to claim in the game. VGR is showing 102 which is incorrect. Thanks


So, according to you, which ones should be removed?

2019-08-17 06:41:44  
Hi, nothing needs removed, just the 102 total records number needs changed to 86. The Sega Rally Championship records are all accounted for, all 86. However it shows in my records submitted 86 / 102. It should say 86 / 86 since there are only a total number of 86, and not 102. I don't know where the 102 came from. It messes up the total number of submitted scores percentage (%) as well. Thanks again.

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2019-08-17 13:42:16  
Well, it looks like Time Attack-Stratos Tuned-AT & Time Attack-Stratos Tuned-MT (total of 16 charts) requested by zephyraz are missing.

2019-08-17 13:51:20  
Hi, there is no tuned Stratos. Stratos is always Standard AT or MT only. Thanks again

2019-08-17 13:57:01  
So just to clarify. You can tune both the Celica and Delta for Time Attack, but you cannot tune the Stratos at all, ever, for any mode, tuning does not exist for the Stratos. There are only 86 records in total, I am 100% certain. Thanks

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2019-08-17 13:57:40  
Ok. I hope game admin or magicbart can fix this, so it won't show 102 charts in the stats.  

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2019-08-17 15:37:40  
I just delete all his scores because some of them are impossible to get without cheats, or using an emulator and save points in the game to go back and re do corners that where not made optional and I will prove it :-)

Especially the stratos MT 2:26.88 time, 1 because nobody at all in the world has gotten a 2:27 let alone some guy get a 2:26 even watching your video replays on your YouTube channel, they just show replays and not actual runs, which by doing the save and reload for a better time will only show the replay as a perfect run. Also the sound is turned down, on both videos but at the end of desert track the replay soind of completing the track is only achievable with running a cheat on the game, this only happens when the score moves from regular to special on the records bored as the game knows cheats have been put into the game.

Also the lap time for lakeside on stratos is impossible to get also, as the previous records for the game have never been under 2:20 yet you smash it by 12 seconds. Also a lap time of 1:01 is not possible in normal play either and going from the actual files of the game a best theoretical time for the car on stratos in lakeside for  AT is 1:06 y ou can roughly take of 1-2 seconds max not but not almost 5.

Also for the tuned celica car you have a time of 1:02 and the stratos is 4-5 seconds faster than celica even tuned but you are only  less than 1 second than the stratos, and that is impossible to do due to the speed difference and the handle lung of the game. The fastest theoretical time for the celica without cheats is 1:07-1:08 being using MT transmittion.

Also for lakeside you go from a 2:13 to a 2:06 in like 2 attempts, you lose 7 seconds of time in 2 attempts this simple would not happen, no offence I've been playing the game for years and years on all platforms arcade and emulators  finding the best possible times for the game, and your times that are impressive are completely BS without using cheats or save states, your videos have gone from full screen showing the game and replays to just replays of the game zoomed in so you can't see what's really going on, hense why sound is turned down really low.

These times are BS completely, especially the desert track of 2:26 as I seen your time and I said that's impossible as even if you had the lap for 2&3 lap smack on exactly the same milo seconds which is practically impossible your first lap had to be 50:08 and then check your video replays and first lap is exactly 50:08. Now how in the hell could I of worked that out to the exact milliseconds without even seeing the video.

These scores are BS just from the times alone, but even having the different altetnitive sound for when finish makes it so

2019-08-17 21:15:34  
What are you talking about?

There are no cheats for Sega Rally that would make me faster. Even if there was I would not be using them, I earn my times for myself as much as for putting on this site. This is 23 years of practice off and on. All my times are real.

I don't even own all the records at the moment, you even have one faster than me on Desert, I have lost 8 to a guy on here called Thunder Force 83, and there is also a guy on youtube that has beaten both the fastest lap, and total time on Mountain with the Stratos. So why are you accusing me of cheating?

The sound is terrible on my videos because they are recorded with my phone, probably with a fan on in the background, because I do not have a capture card anymore. Not cheats. Yes I cropped and zoomed in because the quality is poor so you can now see it closer up at least.

Why not check some of my Driveclub World Records also on youtube, uploaded directly from the PS4, which shows many of my 1st positions on the global leaderboard. No sound quality issues on them. Yes they are not Sega Rally but it shows I am no stranger to beating very hard times, in real time recording.

There is a Desert Practice video on my youtube channel from back when I had a capture card a few years ago, it is played in real time using the Celica. It would give you an idea how consistent I am lap after lap, if you want to have a look at it.

I also play Sega Rally on 3 different saturns, my times are not all on one Saturn, so yes there can be large gaps in my improvements as I am probably been practicing on one of the other consoles. I need to use one with an arcade racer for some records where it stays plugged into it 100% of the time on my racing rig.

I had/have many world records in driving games, I am good at driving games, just because you think they are impossible, they are not. I know they are very beatable. The competition for Sega Rally is nothing compared to modern driving games on the leaderboards. Trust me if there were half as many playing Sega Rally today as something like Forza Horizon 4, then my times would be somewhere in the top 200 if I was lucky.

How does having two 48.41s show I am cheating? They might be both the same time but both laps are very different, there are small mistakes in different places in both. I equal my fastest laps all the time, it just comes down to practice and being consistent.

It is a shame you decided to delete my records without asking me first.

You have got this one wrong.

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2019-08-18 11:33:35  
It's simple how I know, your desert time video for your 2:26:88 has a completely different sound when crossing the finish line for the line for the replay than it does for a normal game, this only happens when cheats are active.

As said its its practically impossible to get the same lap time for 2 laps in a row on the game, simply because of the kph on the last corner, 1kph/mph slower or faster will result in a slower faster time,

Your drive club has nothing to do wihh anything they are good times I've watched them, as you said you got how many versions and all are slightly different in times, seeing as this site didn't even know about the pc and saturn version being slightly different in times hence pc faster as I brought up last year and was then added to the site, that you mention in a new post not so long ago.

Also the fastest theoretical time for celica is 1:06 yet you got a 1:02 and the stratos Is 5/6 seconds faster and yet only 1second difference is lap time.

Also now all your video are set to private so nobody who understands the game like I do can't see the videos any more, he se hide evidence means guilty.

Also you say they might be different laps for the video but I watched them and are basically the same  so no not maybe I did this or that as you would of known and not said maybe I did this

2019-08-18 19:15:40  
There are no cheats. I am not cheating. Stop accusing me of cheating, your argument is quite frankly ridiculous.

I don't have the PC version, I just know the timings are different because it was PAL code botched back up to 60hz for monitors. I have PAL and NTSC versions for Saturn only, and using PAL because thats what everyone else is using.

Have you never heard of the Mini Cooper that won the Monte Carlo Rally back in 1964? It had around 70bhp and something like a 1000cc engine. It should have been the slowest car there, but it won because the handling was better. This is the exact same situation for my Tuned Celica around Lake Side. The Celica is as fast as the Stratos on very twisty sections. The only place the Stratos is better is down the big long straight which is probably where I gain the extra second of time.

Barring your Desert times, the rest of your times are not great. I don't mean offence, but are you telling me "theoretical times" on Lake Side when you are around 10 seconds slower than the guy below me on youtube, he has a 3'10"90 Total Time, and a 1'02"65 Fastest Lap, both in the MT Stratos. That is only around 1 second slower than my fastest lap and believe me he has more to come he's a great driver. I don't think you are best placed to judge what is possible considering your times are so far behind us. Again I don't mean offence, just looking at it objectively. The guy on youtube is called mynameishugh, and he has a capture card and uploads it all in real time so there cannot be any dispute.

Regarding my videos, yes I have now set them to private, they were never meant for Public viewing I had them listed incorrectly as Unlisted. (Which becomes public if in a playlist apparently). They were not supposed to be proofs of my times on VGR, simply because they are low quality and the sound is bad, I also had a fan on in the room for most. They were not designed to disguise cheating as you are claiming. They are good enough for me and the few people I sent the links to, to enjoy.

Anyway there is a good remedy to this. I will record the records again and I will send you the link, hopefully better sound and you can eliminate the alternate crossing the line sound you think you hear out of the equation. I have nothing to hide, as you put it.

I have already beat the Desert fastest lap again, so those 48.41s are old hat now, will update the records shortly.

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2019-08-19 17:22:47  
dude come on its not even the pc version your using an emulator, hence why the videos you put your camera screen as close to the replay screen as possible for it not to show the window, as it wont go fullscreen,

ok so if your are not cheating or added in the cheats for either max speed, hyper car or power up your car explain how for the video for desert track of you 2:26:88 the replay has the alternative sound for crossing the line, this sound only ever happens when your score goes into the special category on the records screen far right, the specials category only ever appears when cheats are enabled for the came, for the game to tell the difference between time attack car and extra speed, so as soon as you crossed the finish line i knew cheats where enabled,

and as said nobody in the world ever has ever gotten into the 2:27 min mark, nobody at all yet you have hit it once in your pics and then beat that again by 1 second, this is also how i know cheats are enable,

i know mynameishugh i'm a subscriber of his, and his routes you see in the game are all based of my routes i've talked to him about, the desert track he does and lines he takes are the same ones that i have explained to him myself, we have pushed each other for that extra times, on all the tracks, so if you are watching his and trying to improve your times your also taking my advice too.

who cares about rally tracks or anything else it doesn't matter, that like saying ohh i cant cheat because i have the fastest time on mario kart so why would i cheat on sega rally,   you have been caught out and trying to defend it, but i know for a fact 100000% that these times are practically impossible without cheat or as said an emulator and doing save states to go back and improve. nothing else explains it,

yesterday all videos are fine, you even give a description of the video, so saying its suppose to be private anyway is BS, literally the same day i say your video proof on your attempts are BS is the same day you then take them off for everyone to see. come on bro.

if they are legit then simply record yourself doing the game showing cd startup load and then doing a 2:26 time hell even a 2:27 time with you playing it on your arcade racer wheel, like you said you do (exactly the same as i do mind,yes i use wheel) and then i will apologise and say yes its legit 100% and never doubt you again
I mean its not hard to record on your phone now is it quick stand and film it as would only take like what 5mins to record because you can hit a 2:26 so an expert at the game could do it in what 2 attempts realistically.

also for my times they are from what last year, and i have faster times on video that i haven't uploaded because im not happy with them, completely, the track i have put all my effort into is the desert track all data that is possible for that track, to how fast it is to take every single corner in the game and if im not even at a specific kph on a straight or corner ill reset the race and start again, this is how i know a 2:26 is BS because nobody EVER has even broke the 2:27 time
the world record for desert up until last year that was held for what 6 years was only 2:28:70. which i have beaten and then i helped mynameishugh beat that with at 2:28:13 with a new line to take.

but out of knowhere you come along and then bam you beat it by 2 seconds, ligit, with dodgy videos only replays, BRO come on.

yes your old sega rally records where fast  from 4 years ago, i know ive watched them im not doubting them at all, hell your times was pretty good. but stuff you added in the last 2 months are under question.

if your case was oh i can make the celica tuned as fast as the stratos, and i say there is a good few second difference between the cars performance how come every single score between delta and celica the same roughly 1-2 seconds difference, but from the celica MT to celica tuned MT would not give you  a 17 seconds difference advantage.

but hay you wanna say its legit and i know for a fact times that the mentioned times are not possible at all, we going to be at a stand still,

so as said stick that camera up on your phone do your laps recorded because you are so good at the game the greatest ever then quick videos wont be a problem would they,and put this to bed once and for all.

2019-08-19 18:16:39  
I have sent you a PM with some video links if you want to watch them.

Anyway can we get back on track to getting the incorrect 102 number of records changed to 86?

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2019-08-21 10:18:11  
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2019-08-21 10:26:53  
@Magicbart, Hi, Thanks for getting to me I understand you are very busy. It was just a small correction in the total number of Sega Rally records, from 102 to 86.

Please excuse my argument with MBAcymru above, I have sent him a newly recorded video link to his Private Messages and extensive details, so hopefully he is satisfied and the dispute is now settled.

Thank you!

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2019-08-21 19:07:20  
From what Im reading, this whole thing does seem off. But if there is a TAS of the levels that are being questioned by MBAcymru, I would like to find those TAS runs and compare them to see if these ones are completely do-able.

I will keep my eye on this game and its records

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