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2019-06-29 03:59:57 - Last edit the 2019-06-29 04:12:04  
Greetings

I have been watching the records on 3D Pinball Space Cadet and I really need to point this out: There is several cheat codes you can just type in, just 1 code can even let you control the ball with your mouse.

Now lets look at the top 5 players.

- ColdPie: Very fake record. Just look at their other previous records on the screenshot.

- Gbear: I think this record is real. He atleast reached the highest rank twice.

- Lawliet: Um... why did he wipe his previous records? I don't know about this one.

- mocoma_: Yeah pretty sure he cheated. Got 4 previous legit records and then this? Nope.

- Kitniprize: This record looks nice and real.

I would like to hear more opinions about these records please  

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2019-06-30 20:23:31  
I have no idea, I don't know much about the game "inside".
But what I know is that they are all pretty solid scores here, counting probably days of playing.

How could you REALLY know that they are cheating?

2019-06-30 20:50:25  
The reason I think why ColdPie and mocoma_ records are cheated is because they achieved extremely low scores before this huge score. If someone were to try and reach 100+ million scores, he would need to train a lot and learn techniques. Nobody can legitimately reach a 100+ million score without having atleast a few failed attempts in the 20-80 million category.  

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2019-06-30 20:56:45  

ThePandaEmperor :

The reason I think why ColdPie and mocoma_ records are cheated is because they achieved extremely low scores before this huge score. If someone were to try and reach 100+ million scores, he would need to train a lot and learn techniques. Nobody can legitimately reach a 100+ million score without having atleast a few failed attempts in the 20-80 million category.  


I agree.
But, what if they know really well the game, and just "install" the game to make a quick score and then play the game for having their "huge" one?

Regarding this one for instance Sapphire flipper: SwitchSSB made this INSANE score (mine took me around 2 weeks) in the first try. Is it a fake score then?

Well, how can we know?

2019-06-30 21:54:13  
Yes you are right, we cant know 100% for sure, just based on their previous records.

I have read of someone who got 169 million legitimately and it took him over 4 hours. That means a 400+ million could roughly take over 8 hours. Its just that this game can be so easily cheated, I have 0 trust in any records that is suspicious.  

How do you know SwitchSSB's score isn't fake?  

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2019-07-01 02:52:33  
For switch, I have no idea. I guess you can't fake a score on a true GBA cartridge ^^

Maybe we could ask for a video proof for those scores?
I admit that the first one seems a bit like "an easy cheat one".

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2019-07-03 10:34:10 - Last edit the 2019-07-03 10:35:12  
Thanks for pointing this, ThePandaEmperor.
I also checked that cheat codes exist for this game, unfortunately.   
I can’t test them now, but I will try, maybe in September.

Since some people made big scores on it, I was doubtful, because I know how it is difficult to make +50 millions, which I never done.
My old personal record for this game was 23 millions, and I can’t proove it exactly since I delete and download again the game. If I remember, it tooks me around 1 hour to make 23 millions.
So, if you saw that people can legitimately make 170 million in around 4 hours, compare to mine, it’s probably logical for this pinball game.
However, I agree that scores with more than 100 millions are suspect and really hard to do.

They probably used cheat codes, which I remind it is forbidden in VGR, but unfortunately we can’t proove it, even with video, because it will last a too long time for VGR.
We can propose to oblige people to proove with a video posted on YouTube, but the policy of VGR has never been to impose video proofs, neither to post on other websites or make external links.

The reason why you think they cheated (they achieved only low scores before) is not solid, because you can reset the scores page when you want, and it is also reset when you download again the game.
Another detail is that you can move the window score to the left, in order to better see you score, written in blue in the right side of the screen. Not a lot of people done that. But anyway, you can’t oblige people to see this blue score, because the default grey screen is enough to valid proofs (even the cutted one from mocoma)

So I think you can make +100 millions score in your first try, if you know all the tricks (mainly how to get extra-balls). I maintain they probably used cheat codes, but we can’t proove it, and can’t oblige them to do it for this game.
So, I think we are obliged to trust them.

2019-07-03 20:08:25 - Last edit the 2019-07-03 20:54:10  
I agree Zephyraz, this is one of those situations where you know the bad guys are getting away with it, but you cant do much about it   

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